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5 minutes ago, Nucejoe said:

Once showed how he used his auto oiler, I think bergeon for about twice the price.

Not much more expensive! why go with the cheap one.

Have you tried both to make this suggestion? Or at least one?

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47 minutes ago, jdm said:

Have you tried both to make this suggestion? Or at least one?

No I haven't but watched vwatchie vid. I think the amount of oil he put on endstone was just perfect. well here is the man himself.

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3 minutes ago, Nucejoe said:

I think the amount of oil he put on endstone was just perfect.

With the topic now well derailed let's further entertain ourselves looking at what our Host Mark Lovick, the man than runs and pays for this forum, has to say on the subject.

 

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6 hours ago, jdm said:

With the topic now well derailed let's further entertain ourselves looking at what our Host Mark Lovick, the man than runs and pays for this forum, has to say on the subject.

 

Yes. This is the video that prompted me to look into getting an automatic oiler again. Several years ago I asked my mentor about automatic oilers. His opinion was that it was an unnecessary luxury. He tends to be old school and even makes his own precision oilers from sewing needles.

But recently I've been restoring pre 60's watches and they don't have shock springs. It's a real pain to lubricate such jewels.

I don't know if any of you have this problem with steel oilers, but here in Singapore, it's so humid that if I leave my oilers uncapped on my bench for a couple of days, it'll start rusting.

I might get one of these Chinese oilers as with the discounts and coupons, it comes to 1/3 the price of a Bergeon.

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5 hours ago, HectorLooi said:

His opinion was that it was an unnecessary luxury. He tends to be old school and even makes his own precision oilers from sewing needles.

But recently I've been restoring pre 60's watches and they don't have shock springs. It's a real pain to lubricate such jewels.

I understand your teacher's position, i think it's not a strictly necessary tool. What the automatic can't replace is the applicator which is a fine round pin for jewels where is difficult or not practical to separate the cap jewel, e.g. the two small diashock on Seiko, or rubbed in.

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Rub-in jewels have integrated end stone, out of obsession I am always concerned if I have managed to get enough oil on its end stone, automatic oiler seem assuring to have dispensed that certain amount of oil there,  one can double the amount by pumping twice and the exactness of the amount is a nice control to have.

In a sense, same story with screw on end stones, you can just screw the end stone on and then oil. Much neater outcome since end stone plate/ holder is sure to move when you try to place it on and oil gets spread around by the old method. 

I use old accupuncture needles as oiler.

 

 

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Just now, Nucejoe said:

Rub-in jewels have integrated end stone, out of obsession I am always concerned if I have managed to get enough oil on its end stone, automatic oiler seem assuring to have dispensed that certain amount of oil there,  one can double the amount by pumping twice and the exactness of the amount is a nice control to have.

I don't think you can really pump in oil in there since the air trapped in prevents that. And any oil left on the flat facing the balance is count productive. So the fine applicator is used to push some oil in the hole.  That is my understanding at least.

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I have all kinds and types of automatic oilers, but for normal hole jewels returned to simple oiler and oil cup. Application is much more precise. 

Frank

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I got my Chinese oiler last week but haven't actually used it on a balance jewel.

I noticed that if I press the oiling pin in or pull back the on the button, oil starts to flow and continues to flow as long as the pin is depressed. i.e. the size of the oil drop is time dependent. 

Is that normal? Does the bergeon work in the same manner?

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I also got a Chinese oiler, the 1A.  I've only used it once so far and it was perfect.  I don't have your problem where the oil keeps flowing, it deposits the same amount of oil each time.

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On 8/25/2020 at 3:12 AM, HectorLooi said:

Is that normal? Does the bergeon work in the same manner?

No, I don't think that is normal for an automatic oiler. The whole point is to get a perfect amount of oil each time the oiler is used and that is not possible if it depends on how long you apply pressure to the button. Are you sure it is actually working like this ?

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