Which Watch Have You Got Coming In The Mail ? Show Us !!!

[rehajm]

44 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

How clear was the picture of it. There are lots of black dial military type watches. Was there a view of the case back ? Which country are you in ?

Let me see if I can find it...okay found it. Sooooo....would you like me to post it or a PM? ...

Edited September 25, 2023 by rehajm

[Neverenoughwatches]

5 minutes ago, rehajm said:

Let me see if I can find it...okay found it. Sooooo....would you like me post it or a PM? ...

Lol, i think 4 of these collected in under a month is enough don't you.

Just now, Neverenoughwatches said:

Lol, i think 4 of these collected in under a month is enough don't you.

I think i have some more hiding from the last 2 years of hoarding to be honest. At least 2 movements i know of , i definitely have a vertex 59 that was used in both the trade pattern and DD.

10 minutes ago, rehajm said:

Let me see if I can find it...okay found it. Sooooo....would you like me post it or a PM? ...

Lets all have a looksee, see if we can figure out what it is.  Oh and before i forget Rich i know you have a Leonidas hiding in your house, dig it out for another posting up somewhere, we have another fresh head in rehajm that might know what you have.

[rehajm]

17 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Lol, i think 4 of these collected in under a month is enough don't you.

I never thought I'd see these words posted here ...all right, mate...

 

...and now that I've looked the others are actually quite interesting, a beautiful Waltham...and there are good images...

27 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Oh and before i forget Rich i know you have a Leonidas hiding in your house, dig it out for another posting up somewhere, we have another fresh head in rehajm that might know what you have.

Yes, please...

Edited September 25, 2023 by rehajm

[Neverenoughwatches]

26 minutes ago, rehajm said:

I never thought I'd see these words posted here ...all right, mate...

 

...and now that I've looked the others are actually quite interesting, a beautiful Waltham...and there are good images...

Yes, please...

Ah ok. Now thats confused me, ATP i was sure is the Brit military denotation only of their spec watches. Now the D and H either side of the serial number is the German spec military marking. I feel someone has added the ATP.

33 minutes ago, rehajm said:

I never thought I'd see these words posted here ...all right, mate...

 

...and now that I've looked the others are actually quite interesting, a beautiful Waltham...and there are good images...

Yes, please...

Can you read the dial name, the hands are a terrible addition. Someone has been playing silly buggers with what would have been a nice Germal mil-spec watch.

[rehajm]

10 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Ah ok. Now thats confused me, ATP i was sure is the Brit military denotation only of their spec watches. Now the D and H either side of the serial number is the German spec military marking. I feel someone has added the ATP.

…the lume looks old but recent and so does the and arrow, yes. Strange…if someone were trying to extract more value there are easier ways…send it to Ebay for example instead of flanking a few pocket watches in a live auction. Then again if it’s crap that is why it is there…

…more pics!

 

15 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Can you read the dial name, the hands are a terrible addition. Someone has been playing silly buggers with what would have been a nice Germal mil-spec watch.

Yes. As I said earlier I assumed they had the description wrong and moved on.  Anything military style with a black dial often gets the dirty dozen label. It looks like someone may have tried to help this one along…. Shame, yes…

18 hours ago, RichardHarris123 said:

 

19 hours ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Another Army pattern on its way. This time a Timor, that makes a count of four. I'm hoping the strap is an original army issue. 

If the strap is original, what do you intend to do?  I would want to wash it to within an inch of its life

 

I label and stash them in a sealed plastic bag where hopefully the current residents can’t escape, then I find I nice fixed lug strap…

Edited September 25, 2023 by rehajm

[AndyHull]

I wonder if that "German milspec" was "liberated" and subsequently used by the British military, either during or after hostilities.

It does seem odd to have both sets of markings, and while it is possible someone added the broad arrow and ATP (Army Trade Pattern) later to try to make it more saleable, there may be some other story to it.

[RichardHarris123]

The ATP one's weren't shock protected, the German ones were. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

8 minutes ago, AndyHull said:

I wonder if that "German milspec" was "liberated" and subsequently used by the British military, either during or after hostilities.

It does seem odd to have both sets of markings, and while it is possible someone added the broad arrow and ATP (Army Trade Pattern) later to try to make it more saleable, there may be some other story to it.

That very possible Andy, if we did that i would have thought though that the German serial number would have been scrubbed as well ?

6 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

The ATP one's weren't shock protected, the German ones were. 

Ah thanks for that Rich. I have the same Record calibre in my DD which has a fixed bal jewel 

1 hour ago, rehajm said:

…the lume looks old but recent and so does the and arrow, yes. Strange…if someone were trying to extract more value there are easier ways…send it to Ebay for example instead of flanking a few pocket watches in a live auction. Then again if it’s crap that is why it is there…

…more pics!

 

Yes. As I said earlier I assumed they had the description wrong and moved on.  Anything military style with a black dial often gets the dirty dozen label. It looks like someone may have tried to help this one along…. Shame, yes…

I label and stash them in a sealed plastic bag where hopefully the current residents can’t escape, then I find I nice fixed lug strap…

The caliber is correct also the same as my DD so the movement alone is a couple of hundred quid. What the auction bid at ?

[rehajm]

12 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

The caliber is correct also the same as my DD so the movement alone is a couple of hundred quid. What the auction bid at ?

It is a live auction and doesn’t show bids…

[Neverenoughwatches]

7 minutes ago, rehajm said:

It is a live auction and doesn’t show bids…

Matey dont touch it ffs, someone is pulling a fast one, look at this from a resource i use. Scamming barstewards

[rehajm]

33 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Matey dont touch it ffs, someone is pulling a fast one, look at this from a resource i use. Scamming barstewards

What's amazing is the auction house simply recycled the photo identifying the fake! Red card...

...I suppose they at least hid it in a lot with others instead of highlighting it like it was legitimate. The Walthams don't deserve that treatment, however...and like you say maybe there's value in the movement for someone...

Edited September 25, 2023 by rehajm

[Neverenoughwatches]

3 minutes ago, rehajm said:

What's amazing is the auction house simply recycled the photo identifying the fake! Red card...

...I suppose they at least hid it in a lot with others instead of highlighting it like it was legitimate. The Walthams don't deserve that treatment, however...and like you say maybe there's value in the movement for someone...

Yeah the exact photo of the ATP/DH caseback you posted is from an ATP resource and strap retail site.   I was looking for another black  dial Record  which were made for both the Brit and German army. Found that same photo, big coincidence if you ask me.

[AndyHull]

2 hours ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

That very possible Andy, if we did that i would have thought though that the German serial number would have been scrubbed as well ?

That adds extra work. Unless that lead to an extra beer ration, I doubt if they would have taken the trouble.

[RichardHarris123]

5 minutes ago, AndyHull said:

That adds extra work. Unless that lead to an extra beer ration, I doubt if they would have taken the trouble.

If it was liberated, then surely no reason for the ATP, just wear it. The engraving for the ATP looks rough, so maybe your idea of trying to add value is correct. Though I think it probably reduces value.  I don't know just my opinion. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

12 minutes ago, AndyHull said:

That adds extra work. Unless that lead to an extra beer ration, I doubt if they would have taken the trouble.

 

6 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

If it was liberated, then surely no reason for the ATP, just wear it. The engraving for the ATP looks rough, so maybe your idea of trying to add value is correct. Though I think it probably reduces value.  I don't know just my opinion. 

See the picture added, its the same watch from an trade pattern information site. 

[AndyHull]

I was thinking more of genuinely liberated. I was thinking more of a situation when the allies took control of parts of Germany. At the time,  a lot of Wehrmacht equipment was seized. There would be no point in letting a consignment of perfectly serviceable mil. spec. Swiss watches sit in a warehouse if they could be re-inventoried and issued to allied soldiers. 

 

[RichardHarris123]

Just now, AndyHull said:

I was thinking more of genuinely liberated. I was thinking more of a situation when the allies took control of parts of Germany. At the time,  a lot of Wehrmacht equipment was seized. There would be no point in letting a consignment of perfectly serviceable mil. spec. Swiss watches sit in a warehouse if they could be re-inventoried and issued to allied soldiers. 

 

Good point. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

1 minute ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

 

See the picture added, its the same watch from an trade pattern information site. 

The ATP looks rough and the Initials are often seperated with a full stop, but not always. All this depends on who is marking up the watch and what they are using at the time. Some are perfectly centered and stamped others are roughly engraved and anywhere on the back.

[Neverenoughwatches]

The Timor arrived this morn. Richard you are right the strap is tenacious mank and needs a good clean if its staying on. It looks old but i dont think its the original.  Dial looks good and everything seems correct for what the watch is, it runs and seems to be keeping time ok . I was a bit worried as the seller said the lug pins had been repaired, not the best job possibly lead soldered in, not sure until it goes under the scope. But its good for the price, ive seen these at three and four times what i paid for it.

[AndyHull]

4 hours ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

I was a bit worried as the seller said the lug pins had been repaired, not the best job possibly lead soldered in, not sure until it goes under the scope

Hopefully it is silver soldered, but if not, remove as much of the lead as possible mechanically (file and emery paper), as leaded solder can screw up attempts to use silver solder and/or braze things.

I've not done any brazing or silvers soldering on watch cases (yet), but I have used these techniques in the past to fix stuff. The internet is awash with how to techniques for silvers soldering and brazing. I',m not sure welding is practical with small brass objects, unless you have access to some pretty specialist micro-welding kit. 

I suspect silver soldering shouldn't present too many problems, and is probably much more likely to produce a good result than attempting to weld stuff at home. "Easy" silver solders melt at a considerably lower temperature than brass, so you should be reasonably safe using them. Brazing might be more hazardous as the brazing rod may melt at a similar temperature to the case, and you really don't want to turn the whole thing into a Salvador Dali art work.

Your mileage may vary of course, and for all I know I may be speaking to an expert micro tig/mig welder.

Once soldered, and re shaped, filed and  polished, you will then need to re-plate the case too, to hide the repair, and probably re-drill the lugs if necessary.

Keep us posted if you go down this road.

Edited September 28, 2023 by AndyHull

[Neverenoughwatches]

37 minutes ago, AndyHull said:

Hopefully it is silver soldered, but if not, remove as much of the lead as possible mechanically (file and emery paper), as leaded solder can screw up attempts to use silver solder and/or braze things.

I've not done any brazing or silvers soldering on watch cases (yet), but I have used these techniques in the past to fix stuff. The internet is awash with how to techniques for silvers soldering and brazing. I',m not sure welding is practical with small brass objects, unless you have access to some pretty specialist micro-welding kit. 

I suspect silver soldering shouldn't present too many problems, and is probably much more likely to produce a good result than attempting to weld stuff at home. "Easy" silver solders melt at a considerably lower temperature than brass, so you should be reasonably safe using them. Brazing might be more hazardous as the brazing rod may melt at a similar temperature to the case, and you really don't want to turn the whole thing into a Salvador Dali art work.

Your mileage may vary of course, and for all I know I may be speaking to an expert micro tig/mig welder.

Once soldered, and re shaped, filed and  polished, you will then need to re-plate the case too, to hide the repair, and probably re-drill the lugs if necessary.

Keep us posted if you go down this road.

Thanks andy, the welding makes me nervous the soldering i should be able to handle. Now only one of the lugs is drilled on each side, which would have to be to get the pin in. Something that just hadn't crossed my mind as being original. I will have to check my others.

[ManSkirtBrew]

Continuing my trip down the Accutron rabbit hole, this non-running Spaceview is on its way to me. The seller made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

I haven't been able to cross reference the serial #, but it looks original enough for me.

[HectorLooi]

You will find this totally different from the 218. Take your time with this. Read all you can on servicing a 214. Goodluck. 

[nrm]

I've got a couple watches lined up in addition to the one I posted about in the Newbie repairer category -- waiting for my confidence to arrive. Not a huge investment, but I'd like to give them the attention they deserve, and hopefully once I get inside, they deserve the attention I give them!

Something about having a small queue makes me feel a bit more urgency in getting stuck in.

[rehajm]

12 hours ago, ManSkirtBrew said:

Continuing my trip down the Accutron rabbit hole, this non-running Spaceview is on its way to me. The seller made me an offer I couldn't refuse.

I haven't been able to cross reference the serial #, but it looks original enough for me.

...you're good at finding the funky ones. I like the idea of 'vintage quartz' that shows...

10 hours ago, nrm said:

I've got a couple watches lined up in addition to the one I posted about in the Newbie repairer category -- waiting for my confidence to arrive. Not a huge investment, but I'd like to give them the attention they deserve, and hopefully once I get inside, they deserve the attention I give them!

Something about having a small queue makes me feel a bit more urgency in getting stuck in.

My vote is the Poljot. Under that crystal I bet that dial is great. I'd relume instead of keeping the original...the Gruen is a nice classic. Work on the Ricoh first ....

Edited September 29, 2023 by rehajm