Hattori And Myota

[Alienfox]

I have just read that you should never try to fix these movements? Any reason why.

Den

[rogart63]

Why not? Maybe it's because they are cheap to buy new? Have fixed a lot of both Hattori/Seiko and Citizen/Miyota movements . Most automatic and manual movements . 

Edited January 7, 2016 by rogart63

[Ishima]

I've fixed a couple of cheap quartz movements such as these, either when parts weren't needed or i could salvage them from another of the same movement. 

The only reasons to bother (unless just for fun) is if you don't have time to wait on a new replacement movement from a supplier, or if there's a specific reason you'd rather not disrupt the hands/dial. (which you'll have to do if you need to take apart the gear train.)

The reasons not to repair these are simply because, as far as I'm aware suppliers don't bother supplying the individual components, so in order to replace a damaged part you'd need a whole new movement anyway. 

It's just not worth in paid work, to try and save money on a movement that might be only a couple of pounds by spending 10's of extra minutes taking a movement apart in the time you could have just switched the old movement out. 

Edited January 8, 2016 by Ishima

[Peixian]

why not fix the Hattori and Myota .maybe they are cheap? i don't know your idea.but if i was you,i will try to fix them and collect . 

[oldhippy]

I never bothered with quartz watch repairs apart from fitting batteries couldn't stand them. If the cost of the repair is going to be more then the cost of the watch, that is a good enough reason not to repair it.

[Mark]

I never bothered with quartz watch repairs apart from fitting batteries couldn't stand them. If the cost of the repair is going to be more then the cost of the watch, that is a good enough reason not to repair it.

Unless the watch is of sentimental value to the customer - in that case, any watch is worth doing despite its value unless it's an impossible task.

I remember stripping and cleaning Miyota 2032 movements all the time. That was when we were charging £15 to service and the movement cost £6.50 or so to buy new. So it was worth the hour it took to strip and clean them.

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[clockboy]

I recently serviced /repaired a Seiko 7T32 and although a successful conclusion it was pain and I did not enjoy the learning experience.. The parts are not only tiny they are very delicate and the replacement parts are very difficult to source. The cheaper movements in my option are not economical to repair just far better to replace the whole movement.

[Mark]

I recently serviced /repaired a Seiko 7T32 and although a successful conclusion it was pain and I did not enjoy the learning experience.. The parts are not only tiny they are very delicate and the replacement parts are very difficult to source. The cheaper movements in my option are not economical to repair just far better to replace the whole movement.

Not an easy movement to work on. Hats off to you.

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[jdm]

I never bothered with quartz watch repairs apart from fitting batteries couldn't stand them. If the cost of the repair is going to be more then the cost of the watch, that is a good enough reason not to repair it.

 

There are quartz movements costing many hundreds, or which are simply unobtainable. Doing what is not economically convenient is one thing (certainly not very smart), working and learning on one's own time for the education and satisfaction is another. Also I think that dismissing a watch just because it has something more that just wheels and gears is snobbish and limiting.

[clockboy]

Agree 100%. It was a learning experience as I have not tackled a quartz before. Next time it will be easier I expect but still not confident to work on a customers watch.

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[digginstony]

All learning and knowledge is a good thing. Anyone who dismisses the quartz watch doesn't live in the real world. Remembering the mechanical movement only represents 15% of watch sales worldwide as I remember reading somewhere.

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[ausimax]

I pulled down and re-assembled a Seiko 7T62, interesting learning experience but what a pain trying to get those 4 magnetic rotors aligned to fit the bridge, little buggers would just not stand up straight.

 

Max

[clockboy]

Also the magnets are real pain and seem to attract anything within 50 yards.

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[oldhippy]

There are quartz movements costing many hundreds, or which are simply unobtainable. Doing what is not economically convenient is one thing (certainly not very smart), working and learning on one's own time for the education and satisfaction is another. Also I think that dismissing a watch just because it has something more that just wheels and gears is snobbish and limiting.

I never had my workshop geared up for quartz watch repairs. I did manual watches high grade stuff not cheap plastic rubbish. My main work was with antique clocks Longcase, bracket french that sort of work things that took days sometimes weeks to complete, there wasn't enough hours in a day to undertake every conceivable repair.

[digginstony]

How times change Oldhippy. You had the best of times. How guys like Mark earn a living with watch repairs; today in a throw away society, one can only speculate.

Tony

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[Mark]

How times change Oldhippy. You had the best of times. How guys like Mark earn a living with watch repairs; today in a throw away society, one can only speculate.

Tony

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Lol. People do not throw away Breitling Navitimers

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[digginstony]

Even at the higher end of the market. The manufacturer's seem to be doing all they can to restrict sales of parts in a bid to strangle the life out of the independent repairer. You have my absolute respect

Tony

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[stroppy]

With quartz watches so cheap and usually reliable and very accurate (even the Chinese cheapy stuff use Miyota and Hattori movements) then it is, indeed, a throwaway society as Digginstony suggests.  That covers the vast majority of average working blokes who have a watch to wear to work.  Then there's that 10 or so % of the population that can afford real Omegas, etc...  Those watches you DON'T throw away...you fix 'em and watchmakers exist to service that market and the folks who still have much-loved old watches and family heirlooms. 

[Geo]

I did manual watches high grade stuff not cheap plastic rubbish.

That's a bit of a harsh sweeping statement. The inference is that all quartz movements are cheap rubbish, this is very far from the case, there are some beautifully engineered quartz movements around.

Here's an example, and there are many more.

[clockboy]

Agree with Geo that's why I recently purchased "repairing Quartz watches" by Henry B Fried.

Which I recommend for those wish to service a Quartz

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[digginstony]

I don't think Stroppy was harsh. Pretty much on the ball. Don't forget Omega don't produce quartz watches now and their mechanical movements are now "In House " and you try getting replacement parts from them. Hopefully some enterprising company will start making generic replacements, to keep the independents going. The general trends I think, seems to be in house and everything has to come back to us. Could be wrong, hopefully I am. As regards the "Quartz " Even a no jewel movement has the potential to be as accurate as a well regulated mechanical, by a master regulator.

Tony

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[stroppy]

I don't think Stroppy was harsh. Pretty much on the ball. Don't forget Omega don't produce quartz watches now and their mechanical movements are now "In House " and you try getting replacement parts from them. Hopefully some enterprising company will start making generic replacements, to keep the independents going. The general trends I think, seems to be in house and everything has to come back to us. Could be wrong, hopefully I am. As regards the "Quartz " Even a no jewel movement has the potential to be as accurate as a well regulated mechanical, by a master regulator.

Tony

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I think they were reacting to Old Hippy's opinion of quartz movements, not what you or I wrote.  As to quartz movements...my most accurate watches in my humble collection are all quartz with original buying prices from $100AU to $300.

[Geo]

I don't think Stroppy was harsh.

Who said he was harsh?

[digginstony]

Sorry it could of referred to old hippy statement

Tony

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[Geo]

Sorry it could of referred to old hippy statement

It did. ;)