Antique vintage ROLEX help needed

[NTK]

Hi. So I’m trying to see what is the movement number of this old Rolex. Photos attached.  Anything will help. Thanks ! 

[clockboy]

Most brands mark their movement/calibre number on the main plate underneath the balance. Rolex also marked most of their calibres there until the introduction of the Rolex Calibre 1030.
Also worth noting Rolex have not always produced their own movements so this vintage movement might well have been produced by another manufacturer. 

[NTK]

47 minutes ago, clockboy said:

Most brands mark their movement/calibre number on the main plate underneath the balance. Rolex also marked most of their calibres there until the introduction of the Rolex Calibre 1030.
Also worth noting Rolex have not always produced their own movements so this vintage movement might well have been produced by another manufacturer. 

So I will need to remove the balance wheel to see the id number of the movement then. I think is original movement. Thanks. I will do that and take a look. 

[RichardHarris123]

Sometimes, it's under the dial. 

[Marc]

It has a distinct whiff of Aegler 825 about it, but with a slightly different train bridge shape.

Aegler was a major supplier of movements to Rolex right up to 2004 when Rolex bought the company outright.

It would help if we could get a main plate diameter and a look at the keyless works but my money is on the Aegler.

[RichardHarris123]

The balance looks interesting, heavy with cut outs for the timing screws.

[oldhippy]

A photo of the keyless work is what we need to see.

[nickelsilver]

Yes, this is Aegler, for Rolex. They called that balance the Superbalance. Rolex 600.

 

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&&2uswk&Gruen_819

[Nucejoe]

 I have some NOS parts to it, drop me a note in case you came to need spares.

Edited November 28, 2023 by Nucejoe

[RichardHarris123]

9 minutes ago, nickelsilver said:

Yes, this is Aegler, for Rolex. They called that balance the Superbalance. Rolex 600.

 

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&&2uswk&Gruen_819

The balance is different, is that Rolex's modification? 

[NTK]

21 minutes ago, Nucejoe said:

 I have some NOS parts to it, drop me a note in case you came to need spares.

I think I might need the crown and the stem and the small seconds hand to start. Haven’t opened yet to see what else. 

[NTK]

1 hour ago, Marc said:

It has a distinct whiff of Aegler 825 about it, but with a slightly different train bridge shape.

Aegler was a major supplier of movements to Rolex right up to 2004 when Rolex bought the company outright.

It would help if we could get a main plate diameter and a look at the keyless works but my money is on the Aegler.

How much u think one of these fixed and services might go on the market ? 

[nickelsilver]

50 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

The balance is different, is that Rolex's modification? 

Yep, it's super

[JohnR725]

4 hours ago, clockboy said:

Also worth noting Rolex have not always produced their own movements so this vintage movement might well have been produced by another manufacturer. 

Here's the company that made Rolex movements up until 2004 one Rolex finally had 100% controlling interest in the company. So now it's a Rolex company although as Rolex solely acquired more and more the company I suspect towards the end they probably were making movements for anyone except Rolex

https://www.watch-wiki.net/doku.php?id=aegler

It's always nice to tell people that before 2000 for the Rolex movement was made under contract by somebody else.

1 hour ago, nickelsilver said:

it's super

A long time ago at a chapter meeting of the national Association of watch and clock collectors somebody was liquidating a estate before the days of eBay. Which worked out very nicely for me because I bought quite a few interesting watches all grossly underpriced. But one of my amusements was the fake Rolex? I asked why it was fake and was allowed to look at the movement couldn't see the movement because it was covered by the automatic mechanism of one jewel. Also when I asked why it was fake the one jewel thing was pointed out and the spelling of course the words were all wrong so he figured it was fake. So should I risk $25 on a fake Rolex and then I saw the balance wheel just like yours which is why I now have a really nice not fake I believe 635 movement.

It doesn't mention at the link when they switched over to the newer style or the interesting style balance wheels but yours is possibly in this series like the 600 Or at least it's really close to this as a guess

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Rolex_600

 

 

 

[rehajm]

It looks like a Rolex 700 not 600. Superbalance. The cushion case. dial sometimes called a ‘bow tie’…

 

I have one of these I’ve been trying to revive. It was going to satisfy my urge for a rolex. None of the three listed balance staffs for the movement fit the existing collet or roller- too narrow. I did read somewhere these were not so much produced with interchangeable parts. I will buy that theory…

I just bought another working movement to frankenwatch it if I can get the stem to fit…

Edited November 28, 2023 by rehajm

[JohnR725]

2 minutes ago, rehajm said:

Rolex 700

They don't have a picture of the 700 just the 710 with the sweep second but yes it looks right

http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&0&2uswk&Rolex_710

 

[rehajm]

I realized I think I’ve serviced the cal 600 as well.

This is the wife’s watch. I bought it cheap and it took only a few hours of basic service. Some friends here helped out. 100 years old and still keeps great time on the wrist…

Edited November 28, 2023 by rehajm

[NTK]

27 minutes ago, rehajm said:

It looks like a Rolex 700 not 600. Superbalance. The cushion case. dial sometimes called a ‘bow tie’…

 

I have one of these I’ve been trying to revive. It was going to satisfy my urge for a rolex. None of the three listed balance staffs for the movement fit the existing collet or roller- too narrow. I did read somewhere these were not so much produced with interchangeable parts. I will buy that theory…

I just bought another working movement to frankenwatch it if I can get the stem to fit…

Which place you recommend to buy vintage parts online ?  Thanks ! 

[JohnR725]

5 hours ago, rehajm said:

None of the three listed balance staffs for the movement fit the existing collet or roller- too narrow. I did read somewhere these were not so much produced with interchangeable parts. I will buy that theory…

I just bought another working movement to frankenwatch it if I can get the stem to fit…

The 700 series parts look interesting in that it appears to be there were lots of variations.Looks like they had both flat and over coil hairsprings which both of them at one time were available as separate hairsprings. Normally with the over coil because of premade they were available but it's shows on the parts list the flat hairspring was available. Then amusingly the old days where things were available like they hairspring collet comes in two separate sizes which would explain why your staffing has different sizes and even had the replacement Pin for the collet.

Here's what I have for the balance staff numbers then a little bit of specifications. But the problem with parts lists are this is what was in existence when the parts list was made if the watch was made after this widget probably was there were probably more variations.

[rehajm]

14 hours ago, NTK said:

Which place you recommend to buy vintage parts online ?  Thanks ! 

I didn’t have to look for much outside staffs which are readily available. Jules Borel has a few parts for the 600 and 700 but mostly screws and stems and such. eBay prolly has the most parts- some of the supply houses in EU might have what you need…

…and as always Borel and bestfit are good to search for compatible parts from different movements. There is much cross use with these calibers. Also the part labeled rollie might be much cheaper from a gruen movement…but as I warned I think these movements were quite hand fit so be aware with staffs and wheels and such…0

[CYCLOPS]

could also be a 10 1/2 H movement.....was popular