Jacot tool and pivot file burnisher question

[oldhippy]

Many were brass, I would say yours is steel. Don't know the brand name. Did yours come in its box, sometimes the name is on the box.

[jdrichard]

Many were brass, I would say yours is steel. Don't know the brand name. Did yours come in its box, sometimes the name is on the box.

It has not arrived yet. I will still need to get a bow!



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[oldhippy]

I have posted on this site a little while back about bows. Some jacot tools were made of both steel and brass.

 

[jdrichard]

I have posted on this site a little while back about bows. Some jacot tools were made of both steel and brass.

 

I'll search for your post


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[jdrichard]

More looks at this jacot tool

Any thoughts out there in watch land on who would ha e made this tool? I'd does look high quality and it is old.


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[praezis]

Hi,

brand logo is Koch, Germany. A former wholesaler.

Frank

[jdrichard]

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[jdrichard]

How do you attach gears to the jacot tool? All this is brand new to me and will need some basic help in using this tool to work with pivots


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[oldhippy]

This site should help you it will save me typing it all out.You don't use gears, all that you need is in the box apart from the bow, or is the bow underneath the tool.

http://www.horo-logical.co.uk/jacot.html

[jdrichard]

This site should help you it will save me typing it all out.[emoji3]You don't use gears, all that you need is in the box apart from the bow, or is the bow underneath the tool.

http://www.horo-logical.co.uk/jacot.html

Thanks. The only question I have left is how the gear does not slip out of the female end that receives the pivot that is not being worked?


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[Geo]

When adjusted correctly for the the pivot you're about to burnish, the shoulder on that end of the shaft will just touch the Jacob drum and prevent the shaft from moving laterally.  The downward pressure from the burnisher will keep the pivot in place during the burnishing operation.

[jdrichard]

When adjusted correctly for the the pivot you're about to burnish, the shoulder on that end of the shaft will just touch the Jacob drum and prevent the shaft from moving laterally.  The downward pressure from the burnisher will keep the pivot in place during the burnishing operation.

OK, that makes sense. Time to practical on old Russian watch pivots:)


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[jdrichard]

Figured it out and made a video

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[rogart63]

Great video JD . Have an old one i bought at an auction. Cheap. looks okay but wonder how i change the hole in part that holds the wheel. Is there different inserts? Or should it only be held in the pivot? 

 

[jdrichard]

Great video JD . Have an old one i bought at an auction. Cheap. looks okay but wonder how i change the hole in part that holds the wheel. Is there different inserts? Or should it only be held in the pivot? 

 

Everything I have read says that the hole is tapered to accept any male pivots. So no change required. As well, where the pivot transitions into the shift is where the business end is stopped by the resting groove; so the pivot won't fall out of the tapered female hole on the other end. Pressure from the file or burnishing file also keeps the pivot in the slot. Cool

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[dadistic]

14 hours ago, jdrichard said:

Figured it out and made a video
 

Oh man, now every one can see how to use one, they're all going to want one, and the prices for used ones are going to go through the roof! 

Anyhoo, thanks a bunch for the video.

 

[jdrichard]

Oh man, now every one can see how to use one, they're all going to want one, and the prices for used ones are going to go through the roof! [emoji4]

Anyhoo, thanks a bunch for the video.

 

You are right, glad I have one


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[oldhippy]

Nice video. That piece of white paper will also help to stop the glare which also happens with a lathe.

[jdrichard]

Nice video. That piece of white paper will also help to stop the glare which also happens with a lathe.

Thank you very much Mr. OldHippy.


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[david]

Jayrichard,

Ron Decorte made a good comprehensive video covering the Jacot Lathe. I am pretty sure it is now out of print but you may be able to obtain a used CD.

david 

[Geo]

On 29/10/2016 at 10:37 AM, oldhippy said:

You can buy a burnishing tool just be careful and make sure you get the one for you as they come left or right handed. Needle files are also used for reduction.

Could you please clarify?  What exactly is the difference between a left and a right hand burnishing tool?

[oldhippy]

 

A right-hand burnisher will allow the clock-maker to burnish the pivot from underneath

with the piece being held and rotated from their left.  A left-hand burnisher will allow

burnishing from underneath while being held on the right.  If the preference is to burnish from over-the-top, a left-hand burnisher is used with the piece being held on the left and a right-hand burnisher with it held on the right.  This can add confusion as to which burnisher to purchase.  Since most machinists will machine with the piece being held in a lathe head stock on their left whether they are right- or left-handed, it should first be decided whether burnishing will be done from underneath or over-the-top.  

 

e-top.

[jdrichard]

  A right-hand burnisher will allow the clock-maker to burnish the pivot from underneath



with the piece being held and rotated from their left.  A left-hand burnisher will allow

burnishing from underneath while being held on the right.  If the preference is to burnish from over-the-top, a left-hand burnisher is used with the piece being held on the left and a right-hand burnisher with it held on the right.  This can add confusion as to which burnisher to purchase.  Since most machinists will machine with the piece being held in a lathe head stock on their left whether they are right- or left-handed, it should first be decided whether burnishing will be done from underneath or over-the-top.  

  e-top.

I purchased a combined burnisher and pivot file from cousins UK at about 90 bucks and I made sure I could hold it with my left hand on top and turn the pivot (in the jacot) with my right hand. Meaning the rounded part of the tool is on the bottom right to confirm with the slope of the pivot for balance staff pivots.


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[oldhippy]

I always preferred to work from underneath that way I could see what I was doing. 

[Geo]

OH. the topic refers to the use of a joacot tool.  This involves downward pressure on the pivot that rests in the jacot drum.  Downward pressure is the only type of force you can use with this type of tool.