Movement identification

[martin1976]

Hello guys, I'm trying to identify a movement for my friend from an unknown brand of the following pocket watch

the movement have the balance broken and me and my friend would love to bring that old guy back to life because this watch belonged to his grand dad and he would love to keep some memories for him

here is the movement we would like to identify 

If you could please help in any way with the identity of this movement, it would be very nice and you would contribute to the repair of one of the many exceptional watches that have a really rich history and it would be a shame to let them gather dust. If by some miracle you could also advise us where to buy a balance or donor movement if the parts for it are no longer available anywhere, that would be lovely bonus for my friend

Thanks in advance for reading and sharing your valuable experience and/or advices 

[RichardHarris123]

It's a five bar pocket watch, cylinder escapement, pin set. It  may be impossible to find the maker.  Measure the diameter of the movement and post photos of the keyless works.  Unfortunately finding spares may be impossible too. 

[oldhippy]

These movements were made on the French Swiss border and there are no I D for makers, date from 1850 to 1900. 

[martin1976]

I appreciate the quick replies, I'll try to solve it with a friend that we will have the missing piston made somewhere, because basically the rest of the balance is preserved

[Neverenoughwatches]

12 hours ago, martin1976 said:

I appreciate the quick replies, I'll try to solve it with a friend that we will have the missing piston made somewhere, because basically the rest of the balance is preserved

 

13 hours ago, martin1976 said:

I appreciate the quick replies, I'll try to solve it with a friend that we will have the missing piston made somewhere, because basically the rest of the balance is preserved

Add a picture of the balance parts so they can be assessed.  Dont assume that everything else will be ok, its very likely it wont be. Take it step by step with help from here.

[oldhippy]

Making a cylinder is extremely difficult, they are so hard it is like glass. They consist of three parts, the center and a plug each end which has the points. Here is a picture so you can see what I mean.

  

[Nucejoe]

 I have seen tons of  these types of parts( used)  in my late watchmaker's stuff, unidentified , guess he knew them just by looking. 

Need full measurements to look for what you need.

Rgds

[oldhippy]

There are countless movements of this type about, but they are not universal and it is highly unlikely that parts from a movement will fit others. 

[martin1976]

8 hours ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

 

Add a picture of the balance parts so they can be assessed.  Dont assume that everything else will be ok, its very likely it wont be. Take it step by step with help from here.

 

5 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Making a cylinder is extremely difficult, they are so hard it is like glass. They consist of three parts, the center and a plug each end which has the points. Here is a picture so you can see what I mean.

  

 

3 hours ago, Nucejoe said:

 I have seen tons of  these types of parts( used)  in my late watchmaker's stuff, unidentified , guess he knew them just by looking. 

Need full measurements to look for what you need.

Rgds

 

2 hours ago, oldhippy said:

There are countless movements of this type about, but they are not universal and it is highly unlikely that parts from a movement will fit others. 

I appreciate the quick replies, I'll try to solve it with a friend that we will have the missing piston made somewhere, because basically the rest of the balance is preserved

 

Thanks again guys I do appreciate your effort, the watch isn't in my position so I can't take the measurements, its with the aforementioned friend, I recommended him to buy the exact same watch for spare parts, but I don't know what he will decide to do, I just tried to help him as much as I could

[Neverenoughwatches]

17 hours ago, martin1976 said:

 

 

 

I appreciate the quick replies, I'll try to solve it with a friend that we will have the missing piston made somewhere, because basically the rest of the balance is preserved

 

Thanks again guys I do appreciate your effort, the watch isn't in my position so I can't take the measurements, its with the aforementioned friend, I recommended him to buy the exact same watch for spare parts, but I don't know what he will decide to do, I just tried to help him as much as I could

The watch may not be identifiable, even if so watches of this age still vary made by the same maker. Balance parts need to be assessed , if one of the cyljnder plugs are damaged then this part should be easy for a watchmaker to source or make. It is also something he would need to fit and adjust to the watch, not something a something a hobbyist with limited experience should tackle. I tried this myself a few months ago only to fail miserably breaking the cylinder in half, believe it or not i consider i was being very careful

[praezis]

In this case usually a replacement cylinder is installed. There are still many NOS PW cylinders around. 

As correctly mentioned, a watchmaker’s task. Different sizes must be regarded,  exact diameter and length being basic but far from sufficient.

Frank