How is this for a rip off?

[oldhippy]

What do you think about this one.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wonderful-1895-Designed-Crystal-Regulator-With-4-Full-Columns-Open-Escapement/382531057087?hash=item5910a0b5bf:g:GVIAAOSw~HBaE6V-

[Tmuir]

Says 1895 in the title and then circa 1900 to  1910 in the description.

Mass produced stamped out hands, not a taper pin to be seen anywhere on the clock, no leather pad on the striking hammer

I'm guessing at the oldest late 1960s 1970s.

I've seen that diamond logo on clocks before but cant remember where.

If I came across it for $50 I might be tempted, but not for their asking price.

 

[wls1971]

I'm no longer surprised at the over priced crap on Ebay, I do find it very annoying that what this seller is doing is actually fraud he is miss representing a very poor quality clock and selling it as antique, it's criminal and I would suspect he is fully aware of that.

I bought a fantastic four glass ormolu and onyx french clock not long ago from around 1900 for a quarter of that price in excellent condition, only the uninformed would buy the clock he's peddling.

[oldhippy]

I have reported him to ebay and sent the clown a message.

I sent him this.

It is guaranteed not a reproduction, and is circa 1900-1910

 

Lies. This is a modern repro and I expect it to be made in China. You have been reported to ebay for freud. It is a reproduction and is never circa 1900-1910.

 

I'm a horologist who specialised in high quality antique clocks with around 30 years experience in repairing and restoring.

[oldhippy]

Here is the reply.

 

Sir, it is not a reproduction, and you are barking up the wrong tree. I have been selling clocks for over 40 years, specializing in chinese antique clocks specifically.  I own a company in china making reproduction fusee clocks and other famous english and french clocks.  I have owned more antique clocks than you will ever think of, and had the largest collection of Chinese antique clocks in the world outside of the Forbidden City in Beijing.  It is antique and made in Japan, not china, and a wonderful clock. Not champleve, and not cloisonne, but a beautiful antique clock.  I suggest that you do research yourself before you make such inaccurate accusations, a clear case for a libel suit.  Keep your thought to yourself until you learn what you are talking about.  You are officially blocked from bidding on anything offered for sale from ProClocks from this day forward.   A copy of this note has been submitted to ebay.  Have a good day, now I highly recommend you start your studies before you put horologist behind your name.

Robert Crowder, BA, Edd. DEd
Horologist
ProClocks, Inc.

[Tmuir]

I could go with Japanese, but I still think 60s or 70s.

I know I have seen that logo before, but I cant remember where and I cant find it.

It's going to bug me now.

[wls1971]

Hmm there are some interesting things in the public domain on the web about Robert Crowder and proclocks, he has been warned in the past by the Nawcc to alter his conduct regarding selling repo clock's and having less than accurate descriptions, there is also a story that he had a table at a selling meet run by the Nawcc his table collapsed sending all his ware's crashing to the ground and smashing them, the rest of the sellers all stood up clapped and cheered.

Edited July 30, 2018 by wls1971

[Lenj]

7 hours ago, wls1971 said:

Hmm there are some interesting things in the public domain on the web about Robert Crowder and proclocks, he has been warned in the past by the Nawcc to alter his conduct regarding selling repo clock's and having less than accurate descriptions, there is also a story that he had a table at a selling meet run by the Nawcc his table collapsed sending all his ware's crashing to the ground and smashing them, the rest of the sellers all stood up clapped and cheered.

How embarrassing lol...

[anilv]

Here in Asia Diamond is a very respected company making everything under the sun. (yes they are from China)..

Their mains driven wall clocks were hugely popular in the 70s..

Anilv

[oldhippy]

He told me that clock was made in Japan. Here is one of the many replies he sent me. So have a good laugh.

Sir, it is not a reproduction, and you are barking up the wrong tree. I have been selling clocks for over 40 years, specializing in chinese antique clocks specifically.  I own a company in china making reproduction fusee clocks and other famous english and french clocks.  I have owned more antique clocks than you will ever think of, and had the largest collection of Chinese antique clocks in the world outside of the Forbidden City in Beijing.  It is antique and made in Japan, not china, and a wonderful clock. Not champleve, and not cloisonne, but a beautiful antique clock.  I suggest that you do research yourself before you make such inaccurate accusations, a clear case for a libel suit.  Keep your thought to yourself until you learn what you are talking about.  You are officially blocked from bidding on anything offered for sale from ProClocks from this day forward.   A copy of this note has been submitted to ebay.  Have a good day, now I highly recommend you start your studies before you put horologist behind your name. Robert Crowder, BA, Edd. DEd Horologist ProClocks, Inc.   Reply

[TimFitz]

Dick" & "Head" come to mind

[Tmuir]

The logo appears to be slightly different, the ones on the electric clock either has rays coming off the top of it, or writing, its hard to tell in the photo, whilst the other one has Trade Mark written on the sides of the diamond, so it may not be the same brand, not that I'm saying I believe the seller that it is over 100 years old.

[ecodec]

Well, OH,  bless my soul, you got a show down reply from an "EXPERT" there all right. I will try to check him out. Some people get their degrees in impartial and relative ambiguities or from degree mills.  Regards, Mike. 

[Mattaphysics]

Thanks for the good laugh... Now I'm sure you're far too hurt not to be able to bid on any of the snake oil he's pedalling... He should be brought in for fraud. In point of fact he's committing the very definition of fraud: presenting a thing as something that it is not. I mean... Come on.

Oh he's owned more antique clocks than you'll ever know? Yeah the most reproduced antique clocks is what I believe he meant to say.

Sent from my Z956 using Tapatalk

[oldhippy]

I see the clock is no longer available. I wonder what happened.  

[Nucejoe]

To oldhippy 

Subject: help on the forum for telling "genuine" from fake

Dear sir, 

I regret joining this forum so late, wnen I think of how much I paid for fake timepieces,

Furthermore  I am affraid of purchasing some high price pieces, I have loved, for this very same reason, which is why I now got so many vintage oris watches. 

Glad to see the genuineness is distinguishable with picture.

Looking forward to recieving your guidence and instructions on how to get such help on our forum.

Respectfully    nucejoe

 

 

[oldhippy]

If I can help in any way just ask. Photos are a great help.

[ecodec]

On 8/3/2018 at 2:18 AM, Mattaphysics said:

Thanks for the good laugh... Now I'm sure you're far too hurt not to be able to bid on any of the snake oil he's pedalling... He should be brought in for fraud. In point of fact he's committing the very definition of fraud: presenting a thing as something that it is not. I mean... Come on.

Oh he's owned more antique clocks than you'll ever know? Yeah the most reproduced antique clocks is what I believe he meant to say.

Sent from my Z956 using Tapatalk
 

 

2 hours ago, oldhippy said:

 

I see the clock is no longer available. I wonder what happened.  

After the discussion it may have been removed from sale or it may have been sold to a satisfied customer; who knows.  I have several clocks, one in particular is a regulator made in 1879 in regular use. I have a German pendulum clock in the loft. Will get it down soon,  it was my father in laws and he repaired the mainspring, I believe it works OK. I will give it a clean and oil and we will see. More later. From ECODEC.

Edited August 10, 2018 by ecodec
More info.

[oldhippy]

Its back folks.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wonderful-1895-Designed-Crystal-Regulator-With-4-Full-Columns-Open-Escapement/232881696000?hash=item3638d4ad00:g:GVIAAOSw~HBaE6V-

[quantieme]

as the title says 1895 designed but copied i would say in 1995.

[Lenj]

How many times have you heard the saying on "Bargain Hunt on TV" Looks old, however, made last week..