wls1971

The only thing I can see is that the clock is supposed to be serviced, so should read zero on the rate adjustment dial on the front, the clock should have been adjusted for time keeping via the pendulum, I have never seen a pendulum bob like that one before either it appears to have shoulders is it upside down ?

Is the door lock the wrong way round ? The guy whos selling it has a web site https://earlyclocks.uk/later-clocks-for-sale

According to Urdelar.se it should fit http://www.urdelar.se/universal geneve/Universal Geneve 281, 285 (14-15.75'''), Hammer, No: 8220?page=2 Why not ask the seller, if they say it will fit and it doesn't you can send it back under a item not as described return through ebay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-Geneve-285-287-etc-281-292-381-386-481-Martello-Hammer-8220/124211228614?hash=item1ceb90efc6:g:CYUAAOSwNp1e173f

The electric is a Fench Lip R184 Correction: R148 if it has no date R184 if it has a date

Thanks for the reply oldhippy, the thing with this movement is that its not very large its diminutive compared to the boardroom clock movements which I have two the plates on those are 10 inches by 8 inches and have six pillars, this one is around 5 by 7 inches so quite a bit smaller and with four pillars, and yes you are right most common name banded about when describing these clocks is Winterhalder, I did think the plates where far too thick for a German clock, and the quality of the casting on the metal case parts is far better than I have seen on any Winterhalder. I did see one other

I've had this clock about 2 Years and have only just got round to servicing it, the earliest service mark I found was on the reverse of the dial and dated oct 1913, its a very compact little bracket clock and stands just over 14 inches high, its a triple fusee with the going train fusee cone reversed so that all three cones fit in a small space, the going train has maintaining power, and the escapement is a anchor, I have two other double fusee clocks with the exact same engraved dials both those are very similar and make me think they are from the same manufacturer, but all are unsigned. Fro

1, Benrus 14, Lucien Piccard

Thank you for this it could be a key to who made the clocks If the Trademark is Muller and Kern the retailer is Hamman and Koch but this clock has a third stamp in the middle for Chevillier Fnt / A Paris who where movement manufacturers in paris my feeling is they would have produced the clock for Muller who them supplied and distributed them, this would prove the clock is definitely French.

Yes or they are a bought in French movement cased in Germany, The movement also gives the impression that it is a clever adaptation to an existing movement they do turn up at a rate of 2 or 3 a year at auction so are hardly mass produced, it works very well the chime mainspring barrel is also much larger than it needs to be it does give a very good consistency to the chimes over the week, but I think it would run a good while longer between winding.

Yes very Germanic in style of case it also has a matching wall bracket, but my thoughts are also a French movement plus all the major parts are stamped with the movement number which the French were apt to do.

It is certainly an aid to servicing when putting plates together and lining up pivots with pivot holes when the plates are pinned rather than screwed together, when they are screwed together the pillars can sometimes be a pain to keep in place.And being pinned allows more room to spread the plates while still keeping alignment makes it easier to get the pivots in.

This is a large 8 bell spring driven bracket clock, they turn up now and again but no one has ever put a definite answer to who made them or which country they came from, this one is signed on the dial with the retailer"Moyle Chichester" the movements are never signed but just display a hour glass and sythe trademark: The movement is in two parts the bottom third of the movement consists of the chime mainspring barrel, chime drum, fly, hammers and bell nest it is connected to the top half of the movement which is pretty much bar a few modifications a quarter strik

I think your clock would be late 20's early 30's in production Japy during that period were concentrating on making affordable clocks for the masses, there are thousand of the type of movement you have in your clock around in early 20th century French clocks, they were eventually killed off by the war and could not compete with other french manufacturers Jaz, Blangy and Duverdrey and Bloque who produced Bayard clocks.

The clock in the link provided by oldhippy is based upon an original produced by Drocourt in the 1870's the case is a Rococo style the following link shows an original retailed by Tiffany and Co : https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/3113-400/