oldhippy Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Today I thought I'd pop over to good old ebay and have a look to see what was about in antique clocks. They never disappoint me because I can find rubbish which sellers try to palm of on people. This is todays find and what salesmanship it comes with. Tell me what you think is wrong and if you are right you win a peanut. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Beautiful-Antique-French-Surpintine-Mahogany-Inlaid-8-Day-Mantel-Carriage-Clock-/191905214083?hash=item2cae712e83:g:xmUAAOSwGIRXbVWx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockwatcher Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 Hi OldHippy, I know sweet Fanny Adams about clocks (or watches come to that) but, aside from the movement being cockeyed in the case, I'd say that the hands were wrong (too long) for a start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 Partly right about the hands but there's more to do with the hands and the clock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstakoff Posted June 24, 2016 Share Posted June 24, 2016 I know nothing of clocks either but I would think it would be signed in French, not English. Close??? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted June 24, 2016 Author Share Posted June 24, 2016 12 minutes ago, sstakoff said: I know nothing of clocks either but I would think it would be signed in French, not English. Close??? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Nope sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryf Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 An inspection of the hour hand shows that the filigree bits aren't punched through in a couple or three places. Is that it? Gryf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wls1971 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 My guess is the platform escapement is a Swiss lever and far too modern for a antique clock so the sellers claim that the clock is all original is untrue ( a blatant lie actually ). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wls1971 Posted June 25, 2016 Share Posted June 25, 2016 Actually his listing states the case is all original not the movement my mistake I don't want to do the seller of this polished t$%d an injustice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 8 hours ago, wls1971 said: My guess is the platform escapement is a Swiss lever and far too modern for a antique clock so the sellers claim that the clock is all original is untrue ( a blatant lie actually ). You are correct. There is more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teegee Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Nice quizz! I didn't even know there was such a thing as a mantel carriage clock. I thought this looked like a conversion from pendulum to carrriage (the mantel case can support a pendulum I guess), but there's no hole for a pendulum to pass through in the case cylinder. Is that carriage original? How is this thing wound btw? With the big square arbor on the back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted June 27, 2016 Author Share Posted June 27, 2016 It isn't a carriage clock, so you are right there. No conversion. You spotted how you wind it by the arbor at the back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clockboy Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 The clock seems to have German style dial much the same found on 400 day clocks. The hands are just plain wrong & is it really mahogany. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted June 27, 2016 Author Share Posted June 27, 2016 I have just emailed the seller with this. I'll let you know what his reply is, I bet there not pleased. Why haven't you mentioned that the platform escapement is a replacement there for the clock isn't an antique as you have stated. You need to change this description immediately it's a false description and I'll instruct ebay if it's not changed A S A P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted June 27, 2016 Author Share Posted June 27, 2016 No reply from the seller so I have contacted ebay direct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 This is the reply I got. So what do you think of it? Thank you for your email, Kind Regards Kel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anilv Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Ebay is only good if you know what you're buying. Anil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, anilv said: Ebay is only good if you know what you're buying. Anil Agree. Someone will think this clock is wonderful when in fact they are buying a load of rubbish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szbalogh Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 And what do You think of this? Chinese or real french? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) I don't think for one minute this is a French movement. Hands are not fitted the way I would expect with a nice hand collet and pin. It looks like a modern nut. Platform escapement looks modern and not very good the colour is also two modern. What gives it away is the back plate. Oil sinks very shallow almost none existent. The righting is inconsistent and that arrow for the hands is so wrong it's not nice and its far too big. The screws are modern and incompatible. Is it from ebay? Edited June 28, 2016 by oldhippy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szbalogh Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 1 hour ago, oldhippy said: Is it from ebay? Thank You for the informations! No, its just a guys clock on another forum asking for the value. O dont know much about clock so i promised for him to ask a professional clockmaker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted June 28, 2016 Author Share Posted June 28, 2016 1 hour ago, szbalogh said: Thank You for the informations! No, its just a guys clock on another forum asking for the value. O dont know much about clock so i promised for him to ask a professional clockmaker It also looks poor quality brass going by the back plate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted June 29, 2016 Author Share Posted June 29, 2016 The answer to my original post. It's what is called a marriage, a clock movement is put into another case very popular with Longcase clocks, many of you know these clocks as grandfather clocks. The case is fine looking and it has the correct description. The movement comes from a different case and is what is called a drum fitting movement. What gives it away is as clockboy said the dial and hands, if you look carefully the fitting of the hands is incorrect they should be held with a collet and pin, not a nut, the centre wheel has been altered to fit the dial, hands are bad they are modern they are not fine which you would expect if original. The platform is a complete replacement and is nothing like what the original would have been. Thanks for the input and it made it fun and games so everyone who took part you each win a peanut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atimegoneby Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 On the same subject... I wonder what anyone thinks of this.... ebay item 282155112874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldhippy Posted September 1, 2016 Author Share Posted September 1, 2016 That's not rubbish. Its a 30 hour Longcase clock dated about 1790 no later then 1800. There's a lot of work involved in putting it in good working order. Pity it doesn't have its original case. Its what as known as a cottage longcase. The painting of a cottage on the dial has nothing to do with the clock name. Very basic sometimes crude movements would be called such a name. More then likely the case would be made of oak and very plain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinn3 Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 i just bought a "Shatz type" ships clock. its smaller and made of much heaver brass. it sounds like the same mvt.. the only writing is "made in germany" and an insignia of what looks like wings (both on the dial). i will be opening it for service and see any other writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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