AP1875 Posted March 13, 2019 Posted March 13, 2019 Would the below list of lubricants be suitable for the Rolex cal.3135 (clone) movement? For the grease (cannon pinion, keyless) would you prefer to use 9501 or 9504 the moebius chart recommends either. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
clockboy Posted March 13, 2019 Posted March 13, 2019 This is from my post a few years ago (2015). If I remember correctly I used all of my suggested lubricants and the watch worked great. However after approx. six months the auto part stopped working efficiently. I re cleaned treated the wheels with epilame (fixodrop) and lubed with HP 500. Since then it has not been off my wrist part from bath time. 2
nickelsilver Posted March 14, 2019 Posted March 14, 2019 The epilame is really key, you have to do it. It's a weird quirk of an otherwise bulletproof movement. I think you could use pretty much any synthetic lube and it'd survive as long as you epilame the reversers. 1
AP1875 Posted March 14, 2019 Author Posted March 14, 2019 The epilame is really key, you have to do it. It's a weird quirk of an otherwise bulletproof movement. I think you could use pretty much any synthetic lube and it'd survive as long as you epilame the reversers. Thanks nick I will look into it. It’s not something I’ve done before Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
matabog Posted March 15, 2019 Posted March 15, 2019 I might be wrong but wouldn't one have to use Lubetta V105 on the reversers instead of Epilame?
JohnR725 Posted March 16, 2019 Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 12:44 AM, matabog said: Lubetta V105 on the reversers instead of Epilame? Reversers are interesting for lubrication. Some of them you can use the Lubetta V105 Which is basically an oil like 9010 dissolved in a solvent. But Rolex in their tech sheet shows that lubrication only wants to be in a very specific location and nowhere else. So that's why the recommending the surface treatment to keep the oil from spreading. 1
matabog Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 I might have been wrong. I had the ETA reversers in my had. I think the rolex ones can be 'dismantled'. So after Epilame, where would you oil those reversers? And with what?
JohnR725 Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, matabog said: I might have been wrong. I had the ETA reversers in my had. I think the rolex ones can be 'dismantled'. So after Epilame, where would you oil those reversers? And with what? 2
AP1875 Posted March 17, 2019 Author Posted March 17, 2019 Just seen the price of moebius fixodrop... oh my Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1
matabog Posted March 17, 2019 Posted March 17, 2019 from the picture I understand to oil only the posts. An not the reversers inner clicks! ok! good to know if I ever touch a 3035 :)) Again, thank you!
clockboy Posted March 18, 2019 Posted March 18, 2019 On 3/17/2019 at 3:04 PM, matabog said: I might have been wrong. I had the ETA reversers in my had. I think the rolex ones can be 'dismantled'. So after Epilame, where would you oil those reversers? And with what? Lubetta V105 was developed I believe by ETA. The Rolex reverse wheels are of a different design. Lubetta I think is lubricant. Most odd the Rolex reverse wheels have not lubrication. 1
IFELL Posted December 30, 2019 Posted December 30, 2019 On 3/17/2019 at 5:26 PM, JohnR725 said: Is there the whole sheet somewhere available for download? Thanks.
JohnR725 Posted January 1, 2020 Posted January 1, 2020 On 12/30/2019 at 6:57 AM, IFELL said: Is there the whole sheet somewhere available for download? rolex oil chart 3135.PDF Rolex-3135-tech.pdf 2
IFELL Posted January 16, 2020 Posted January 16, 2020 @JohnR725, thanks this is brilliant. I am guessing that the smaller ladies 2235 movement is fairly similar to this one? thanks
mikepilk Posted January 25, 2020 Posted January 25, 2020 On 3/16/2019 at 8:47 AM, JohnR725 said: Reversers are interesting for lubrication. Some of them you can use the Lubetta V105 Which is basically an oil like 9010 dissolved in a solvent. But Rolex in their tech sheet shows that lubrication only wants to be in a very specific location and nowhere else. So that's why the recommending the surface treatment to keep the oil from spreading. @JohnR725 So are the reverser wheels oiled on there edges or not ? The diagram shows 'do not oil', in which case what's the point of the epilame? I notice that Mark applies a drop of something to the edge of the wheel ( 7min 50s) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8WNrtahT4Q
JohnR725 Posted January 28, 2020 Posted January 28, 2020 On 1/25/2020 at 11:13 AM, mikepilk said: So are the reverser wheels oiled on there edges or not ? The diagram shows 'do not oil', in which case what's the point of the epilame? My understanding is that the clicks or whatever they're called in the reversers have to be absolutely free to move and lubrication would Interfere with that. So epilame treatment is applied to keep lubrication away. Notice they're using HP 1000 on the center part and there would be a likelihood without surface treatment of that spreading out. Then you're absolutely correct in the video Mark applies a drop of lubrication on the reverser wheels which by theory would spread to the little clicks and interfere with how they work. But this is lubrication in horology everyone has a different idea if it works for Mark and long term it works for Mark then? 1
mikepilk Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 Someone suggested using a tiny amount of 9415 on the edges.
clockboy Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 The reverser wheels MUST be treated with " Epilame" if not after a while the auto stops functioning correctly. I speak from experience. PS I used HP500 for the reverser parts with no issues the watch has not been off my wrist (apart from bath time) for 4 years now. 1
mikepilk Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, clockboy said: The reverser wheels MUST be treated with " Epilame" if not after a while the auto stops functioning correctly. I speak from experience. PS I used HP500 for the reverser parts with no issues the watch has not been off my wrist (apart from bath time) for 4 years now. @clockboy do you know how long Epilame lasts? And what will dissolve it. Naptha, isopropanol? I'm about to service a friends 2230 movement which has never been serviced And I'm not planning on buying any Epilame just for that! (I wonder if there are any cheaper alternatives to Epilame. Mobile phone screens use an oleophobic coating which can be renewed with a wipe on liquid) Edited January 29, 2020 by mikepilk
clockboy Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 It will evaporate if not kept in a sealed jar.
mikepilk Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 2 hours ago, clockboy said: It will evaporate if not kept in a sealed jar. I wondered if i clean in naptha then isopropanol it will remove the epilame
nickelsilver Posted January 29, 2020 Posted January 29, 2020 I wondered if i clean in naptha then isopropanol it will remove the epilame It might. It's really critical that they are epilamed, so try to get some. You can't really over epilame, but on these Rolexes you can definitely under epilame.
mikepilk Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 11 hours ago, nickelsilver said: 12 hours ago, mikepilk said: I wondered if i clean in naptha then isopropanol it will remove the epilame It might. It's really critical that they are epilamed, so try to get some. You can't really over epilame, but on these Rolexes you can definitely under epilame. You have convinced me. I managed to buy just 5ml
rodabod Posted January 30, 2020 Posted January 30, 2020 Slightly off-topic: has anyone ever tried Epilame on clock bushes? The oil does tend to creep due to gravity and natural spreading.
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