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hi,i am currently working on a AS 1913.All the wheels are spinning freely.the problem is when i pull out the stem to operate the hand function everything turns,including the mainspring barrel.when i push it back in the crown wheel engages and turns everything again.when i release the click to let the power down nothing happens.i have checked the keyless works and everything moves up and down as it should.am i missing something.i have tried using a different barrel (same model) but to no avail.any ideas please.B

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Sounds like   the keyless work. Does the clutch engage and disengage when the crown is pulled?
Is the stem the correct one for the movement?

Can you provide better pictures of the keyless work in both positions?

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Sounds to me like the pallet fork is not interrupting the escape wheel.

This would mean that as you wound the watch everything would spin, and no power would be retained in the main spring, so nothing would happen when you tried to let down the main spring.

When you have the crown in the setting position the canon pinion has enough drag to also transmit torque back into the train, so once again everything would spin.

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6 hours ago, AndyHull said:

Sounds like   the keyless work. Does the clutch engage and disengage when the crown is pulled?
Is the stem the correct one for the movement?

Can you provide better pictures of the keyless work in both positions?

it is the right stem.tried a spare i had.same result THANKS. B.IMG_20200321_142109.thumb.jpg.913b764146f44eae7c54ff0a5d793724.jpgIMG_20200321_142100.thumb.jpg.8134047c4d0205bbcc07879ad37020d6.jpg

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5 hours ago, Marc said:

Sounds to me like the pallet fork is not interrupting the escape wheel.

This would mean that as you wound the watch everything would spin, and no power would be retained in the main spring, so nothing would happen when you tried to let down the main spring.

When you have the crown in the setting position the canon pinion has enough drag to also transmit torque back into the train, so once again everything would spin.

i get that.will try again with the pallet fork.thanks.B

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6 hours ago, Marc said:

Sounds to me like the pallet fork is not interrupting the escape wheel.

I hadn't spotted the fork was missing, good call.

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29 minutes ago, berniethebolt said:

Can you provide better pictures of the keyless work in both positions?

Keyless work looks to be operating correctly.

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You have a little special construction on this movement . With a friction drive on the intermediate wheel . Instead of a normal cannon pinion. Should think that is why it moves the barrel to . Put the pallet fork in.  Or the automatic bridge. 

This wheel turns the barrel . And has a friction like a cannon pinion. IMG_20200321_142100.thumb.jpg.8134047c4d0205bbcc07879ad37020d6_LI.jpg.02fff15583a9a95805f5d576322b6a94.jpg

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You have a little special construction on this movement . With a friction drive on the intermediate wheel . Instead of a normal cannon pinion. Should think that is why it moves the barrel to . Put the pallet fork in.  Or the automatic bridge. 
This wheel turns the barrel . And has a friction like a cannon pinion. IMG_20200321_142100.thumb.jpg.8134047c4d0205bbcc07879ad37020d6_LI.jpg.02fff15583a9a95805f5d576322b6a94.jpg
A normal canon pinion would move things too, but good catch. That micro canon pinion should be disassembled and greased like any canon pinion though. All things said, with pallet fork out, setting time or winding will have a similar effect if the fork is out.
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On 3/21/2020 at 9:11 PM, nickelsilver said:

A normal canon pinion would move things too, but good catch. That micro canon pinion should be disassembled and greased like any canon pinion though. All things said, with pallet fork out, setting time or winding will have a similar effect if the fork is out.

thanks to all.i have now got the movement going.thanks again.B

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Just now, FLwatchguy73 said:

What did it end up being?

at the end of the day it was the pallet fork.just jiggled it about a bit(gently) and hey presto off it went:woohoo-jumping-smiley-emoticon:

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