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I just bought this 1972 Omega Seamaster Cal 1010 which need a bit of tidying. 

The hands are partly lume, and part black paint. Is there a recommend black paint, or do I just use some black gloss ? 

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Looking at my 68 Constellation which has solid black hands but no lume and the same markers as your Seamaster and probably the same paint. It does appear to be gloss black but not a high gloss...slightly flatted. But then the paint is over 45 years old on my example.

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Not the best picture, but you can see that the hour hand is a smooth or gloss finish. but definitely not a brilliant gloss that you would get out of a can. I suppose you could use enamel model paint and thin it down so it would flow and lay very flat and that would take some of the brilliant out of the finish...I am afraid I do not have an exact answer for you, but hopefully someone will chime in with the correct formula that Omega would have used, be it lacquer or enamel and the correct amount of flattening. I think that a high gloss finish would look out of place against the ebony markers...curious as to the proper paint as well.

Ron

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You will probly find that the black material is onyx.  Omega are quality watches and used onyx quite a bit fir hand inserts and indice markers.  

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Perfect question :)  As having a Chronostop i need to refurbish the hands on? Just a little? I was thinking of using matt black spray? But maybe Onyx is better? On the OP hands there are just a thin line of black? Very very hard to paint? Trust me i have tried. I think i ended up using some paper with printed lines on? The kind of paper u put in water and the transfer to a  small aircraft or car models.  

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1 hour ago, Geo said:

You will probly find that the black material is onyx.  Omega are quality watches and used onyx quite a bit fir hand inserts and indice markers.  

Looking at the OP's hands it could very well be Onyx inserts. On my watch it is definitely paint. The markers are Onyx (whatever that is) as you can tell they are not paint. A closer look at the OP's hands would tell the story. If it is a material or substance, rather than paint would it flake off?or fall out in one piece?

Ron

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Onyx is a type of agate stone and will be cut and polished to fit the hands and indices.  I did notice that yours has been painted, and I don't think that would be the original finish.

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Learning new things is what makes this forum so great. :) After reading the excellent article by Desmond Guilfoyle of the Omega collectors site, it would appear that my hands are indeed painted. The hour and minute hands are solid gold and done in black duco which is a nitrocellulose lacquer from the 20's by DuPont I believe, the second hand which shows gold is plated, go figure. Otto Frei lists the original gold hub baton hands for my watch ref, 168.029 with the 751 movement Part number HAN4174 and the description is with black duco finish and this finish is also listed for most of the rest of the hands. While the indices are Onyx i do not find much reference that it was used on the hands. If it is any help in answering the OP's original question, the paint if used would be black duco. This was a nitrocellulose lacquer, not sure where to get this today though...

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I re-furbed a pocket watch a while ago and for the hands I found for the best results I rubbed them down with fine wire wool (000) then a thin coat of white metal under coat then a black gloss over coat.The make of these paints was"plasti-kote" & I purchased them from a hobby shop. The customer was very happy with the result.

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9 hours ago, 94marconi said:

Learning new things is what makes this forum so great. :) After reading the excellent article by Desmond Guilfoyle of the Omega collectors site, it would appear that my hands are indeed painted. The hour and minute hands are solid gold and done in black duco which is a nitrocellulose lacquer from the 20's by DuPont I believe, the second hand which shows gold is plated, go figure. Otto Frei lists the original gold hub baton hands for my watch ref, 168.029 with the 751 movement Part number HAN4174 and the description is with black duco finish and this finish is also listed for most of the rest of the hands. While the indices are Onyx i do not find much reference that it was used on the hands. If it is any help in answering the OP's original question, the paint if used would be black duco. This was a nitrocellulose lacquer, not sure where to get this today though...

For supplies of nitrocellulose lacquer it might be worth looking at the Luthier industry. It was used prolifically for guitar finishes until the modern polymer lacquers were developed and is still the first choice for restoring vintage instruments.

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9 hours ago, 94marconi said:

Otto Frie lists Mikepilk's hands as black duco part No. HAN-4145

Well found !  Not quite the same pattern and I need silver. 

The ones I have aren't in great condition 

I found a set on ebay, not genuine but look good :

 

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1 hour ago, oldhippy said:

I'm late on this one. I always used Airfix or Humbrol the sort of thing you use for plastic kits. Never had any problems.

I grew up in the age of Airfix, and Humbrol was my first thought.

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Those hands from ebay sure look sharp. If they are not the same then they are very close, and I don't think anyone will notice if restoration accuracy is not required. :)

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53 minutes ago, 94marconi said:

Those hands from ebay sure look sharp. If they are not the same then they are very close, and I don't think anyone will notice if restoration accuracy is not required. :)

I've ordered a set. I always try to get original parts, but with hands, as long as they look OK, I'm happy to use them.

 

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43 minutes ago, mikepilk said:

I've ordered a set. I always try to get original parts, but with hands, as long as they look OK, I'm happy to use them.

 

Those hands are aftermarket hands. Ain't that good? Found them very difficult to put on ? The hour hand was okay but second hand become to large and is moving around?  The minute hand was a disaster and would sit properly on the pivot. My movement was a 1022 . And haven't figured out what to do with it yet? 

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