Question about advice for fixing my Emporio Armani AR-1792 watch

[MrLDasVino]

So I went to a place to get my battery replaced and the person ended up knocking one of the pointers out of its place, now I image to get this fixed I would have to remove the crown in order to access the front part, I however am not sure how to do this in this particular watch as there is no release as far as I can see,

but yea in the first picture the sub dial has fallen into the area where the other sub dial is, and I am trying to get that back in place and the second picture I have removed the plastic bit and trying to figure out how to remove the crown but the things I have tried did not work, and I do not wish to damage the watch.

Any help would be appreciated thank you!

[watchweasol]

Hi  it liiks like a ronda 502LO but its a bit blurry in the picture.  Looking at the watch plate there is a hole in the 11 O clock position beneath which there is the release lever/button. press down with a pointer and pull out the stem

Attached is a tech sheet which may help. its probably not the exact caliber but close enough.   post a clearer picture of the plate and number    thanks.

579_Ronda5020B Pages 1-4.pdf

[MrLDasVino]

5 minutes ago, watchweasol said:

Hi  it liiks like a ronda 502LO but its a bit blurry in the picture.  Looking at the watch plate there is a hole in the 11 O clock position beneath which there is the release lever/button. press down with a pointer and pull out the stem

Attached is a tech sheet which may help. its probably not the exact caliber but close enough.   post a clearer picture of the plate and number    thanks.

579_Ronda5020B Pages 1-4.pdf 2.83 MB · 0 downloads

oh I had tried this before and it did not work, but this time for some reason it did but it appears there is more holding it in place than just the crown, I might need to fully disassemble it to get at the face of the watch, unless there is something else I am doing wrong, sorry I am not the most experienced with watches, but I do have many different tools for small electronics

I have been trying to take a more clear picture of the plate but it seems I am unable to, my camera refuses to focus on such a reflective surface, I apologize

[watchweasol]

Hi Thats ok just post the number.  Regards the stem release. On some watches you have to pull the stem to the setting position in order to put into view the release tab. try that and look in the hole for signs of the small release tab. popping into view.

[MrLDasVino]

7 minutes ago, watchweasol said:

Hi Thats ok just post the number.  Regards the stem release. On some watches you have to pull the stem to the setting position in order to put into view the release tab. try that and look in the hole for signs of the small release tab. popping into view.

I did manage to get the crown/stem out, as for the number I used a different camera and the only number I could find is this RONDA 5021.D unless its regarding the watch model number which is AR-1792, but even after removing the stem the mechanism doesn't slide out of the watch like I have seen on other watches, still quite unsure how to reach the face of the watch, I appreciate you taking your time to help me, thank you

[Nucejoe]

5021.D is the caliber No,  search the interweb for pdf and exploded view  etc to see how all three stems are to be removed. 

Good luck

[MrLDasVino]

This here is basically what I was hoping is how I access the face part of the watch, I am this far however it seems like this is not how it works with my model

as commonly this method does work

this part is what I am trying to reach to set the pointer back in place

Edited August 10, 2022 by MrLDasVino

[watchweasol]

Hi attached is the 5021D tech sheet  if you read thro it it explains that to remove the stem put the stem in to position 1 as indicated on the sheet, release the stem and remove movement.

 

Joes eyesight is obviously better than mine, good man.

1554624552_7027_Ronda5021d.pdf

[MrLDasVino]

15 minutes ago, watchweasol said:

Hi attached is the 5021D tech sheet  if you read thro it it explains that to remove the stem put the stem in to position 1 as indicated on the sheet, release the stem and remove movement.

 

Joes eyesight is obviously better than mine, good man.

1554624552_7027_Ronda5021d.pdf 15.38 MB · 1 download

That is a very detailed pdf thanks, after removing the stem and movement holder, the movement refuses to come out of the case still, this is where I am stuck at, as far as I know after removing the holder + center stem it should just pop out, the two side stems do not actually touch the movement  only when your push them in, unless the front part of the watch twists off? which I am unsure of, sorry about the inconveniences I am causing

[Nucejoe]

Is this a screw or snap back?   I see what can be an O ring fitted inside the case to  retain the dial where put.

It can also be a front loader.

 

[MrLDasVino]

Just now, Nucejoe said:

Is this a screw or snap back?   I see what can be an O ring fitted inside the case to  retain the dial where put.

It can also be a front loader.

 

it is a snap back, yeah I have been trying to figure that out but am unable to find any documentation on this particular model, so right now I am thinking that it is indeed possible to remove the front part or that the movement is just really stuck in there, I am unsure what to use to even attempt to open the front part without damaging it or if to twist it counter or clockwise, so I may just have to bring it to a shop

[jdm]

1 hour ago, MrLDasVino said:

it is a snap back, yeah I have been trying to figure that out but am unable to find any documentation on this particular model

There is no "documentation" for fashion watches. The crystal is removed pumping air through the case tube with a syringe, or similar specific tool.

Edited August 10, 2022 by jdm

[MrLDasVino]

57 minutes ago, jdm said:

There is no "documentation" for fashion watches. The crystal is removed pumping air through the case tube with a syringe, or similar specific tool.

oh well I suppose then I need to give up as I have no idea where to even start for something like that, while I do have some syringes I wouldn't know where to exactly pump the air through, thank you very much for the clarification I appreciate it

[Nucejoe]

The bezel must be removable anyway. 

 

[watchweasol]

To remove the crystal using a pump  replace the back  and with stem removed place the pump/syringe over the stem hole using a plastic bag as a gasket and also to catch.  glass then  press the pump/syringe and the air pressure should remove the crystal.   If the glass has a bezel  ring, this has to be removed first using a case knife or a sharp blade. hold the watch with safety glove 

 

[Kalanag]

This watch has a mineral glass which is held by a gasket ring. I‘m quite sure the movement has to come out from the back.

 

Edited August 11, 2022 by Kalanag

[MrLDasVino]

1 hour ago, Kalanag said:

This watch has a mineral glass which is held by a gasket ring. I‘m quite sure the movement has to come out from the back.

 

I have attempted to remove it from the back but its definitely not budging, normally when you remove the stem and give it a little wiggle the whole thing just comes out, but it appears its not the case with this watch

3 hours ago, watchweasol said:

To remove the crystal using a pump  replace the back  and with stem removed place the pump/syringe over the stem hole using a plastic bag as a gasket and also to catch.  glass then  press the pump/syringe and the air pressure should remove the crystal.   If the glass has a bezel  ring, this has to be removed first using a case knife or a sharp blade. hold the watch with safety glove 

 

I have attempted to remove the bazel with a stanley knife and a scalpel but that too is not budging, as I am unsure how much pressure I am allowed to apply without damaging anything, the watch is waterproof so that may give some hints, once again thank you guys for trying to help me

[Kalanag]

As the crystal is flat and just held by a plastic ring you should be able to stick it to a flat surface (a tile or similar) with a good double sided adhesive tape and pull the case straight off (using two wooden or plastic levers if necessary). Should the crystal brake accidentally it can be sourced cheaply.

Edited August 11, 2022 by Kalanag

[watchweasol]

Hi  Some bezels can take quite a bit of force to get free from the case

[jdm]

8 hours ago, MrLDasVino said:

I have attempted to remove the bazel with a stanley knife and a scalpel but that too is not budging, as I am unsure how much pressure I am allowed to apply without damaging anything,

The bezel can be very tight and almost impossible to remove in safe, undamaged way without a special tool.

However to refit an hand all you need is to remove the crystal. Air is pressed into the only tube that is one the case, where stem goes troughtout. Trying double sided tape might work but the reality is that even apparanetly trivial casing work requires tools.

Edited August 11, 2022 by jdm

[MrLDasVino]

I will try the syringe method see if I have any luck with that

[MrLDasVino]

I have taken it to a shop they said to pick it up next week, they estimated the cost to be 10 euros so I figured might aswell before I break something, I appreciate all the help you guys have provided I will be sure to post an update once I get he watch back