Repair A Omega Quartz 1310 Movement ?

[rogart63]

I have a really nice Omega Mariner . But it seems to have broken or something is caput  ? I have measured the coil and it reads .0268K ohm ? So that looks alright . There aren't so many parts that could brake . I don't now where to send it if i fail to repair it ? How service and repair this old movement . Hard to find parts to. It's missing the protection over the coil as i understand . Do i have the wrong battery ? The spec says 354 .But there are now such batteries any more .I took the same that was there before 344 . 

 

 

 

[rogart63]

Looks like urdelar.se could have a new E-block .Anyone now what that  is ?

[bobm12]

Sounds like part of the electronics. With that said, I'm not familiar with this one but it is customary to name some sections by block letters (hopefully independent and interchangeable sections). An example is found in the schematics for some Seikos I've worked on. I hope everything turns out ok in the end, being omega could be a problem since the movement might have been modified.

[canthus]

Cousins have parts list download and some parts are available from them. However the electronic parts are now shown as obsolete so they don't stock them, so a search around is needed.  Parts are as follows:

1310-9100 - Electronic Module (also called circuit) - this is the part that generates the pulse etc for the coil/motor and has an integrated circuit module.

1310-9200 - Motor Module (includes coil) - this works the rotation of the motor rotor.

1310-9214 - Coil Block only (shown in Cousins parts but not in Omega parts list download)

1310-9230 - Magnetic Shield for coil area.

Happy hunting.

[rogart63]

Thanks for the help so far . Anyone been in contact with CrazyWatches . I am thinking of trying that . To see if he nows anything ? Please check out his website .CrazyWatches.pl it's really funky .

[rogart63]

Listen and learn everybody . Never put a Renata battery in this watch . Changed to a Energizer and it's working again . Yehaaaaa :D  :D :

[bobm12]

Excellent news! I'm glad everything sorted out ok!

 

Cheers,

 

Bob

[Geo]

Never put a Renata battery in this watch . Changed to a Energizer and it's working again.

I'm delighted that it's working fine now Roger, but I cannot understand how a another make would make the difference assuming both were new.

Can anyone explain why?

[rogart63]

I can't understand that either ? Maybe they are different made in the contact area . So they doesn't contact the parts they need . I actually send an Omega f300 for service a while ago . I changed the battery for a Renata and it didn't work . Maybe it would have been enough to change the battery for some other make ? I measured the battery and it's 1,58 volt .So there is volts .

[Speedmaster74]

I have also problems with the same Omega Mariner 32 khz with the cal. 1310. Sometimes it is running regularely, then it stops to work completely. After some hours it starts running again with around double speed than normally, Then after hours or even days it returns to normal speed. The movement was serviced twice but the problem persists. Do you have an idea what could be the reason for this problem?

[clockboy]

I'm delighted that it's working fine now Roger, but I cannot understand how a another make would make the difference assuming both were new.

Can anyone explain why?

The Energizer must be a different size/fitting other than that it's a mystery to me.   :jig: 

[rogart63]

The Energizer must be a different size/fitting other than that it's a mystery to me.   :jig: 

I think the + side is a little different on the Renata battery . That makes it shortcut or not come in contact with the pole? Shall see if i could find a Renata and an other battery to compare with . 

[rogart63]

Renata to the right . As you see it's much flatter on the top . Not the same size on the batteries but every Renata looks the same . The other battery to the left is a Energizer . 

[clockboy]

Renata to the right . As you see it's much flatter on the top . Not the same size on the batteries but every Renata looks the same . The other battery to the left is a Energizer . 

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What you need is one of these. This a pic not of the one I have but is the same style as I have I use it a lot when deciding what size is needed.

 

 

[JohnR725]

A reminder when measuring coil resistance of a coil that is in an electric watch unless you can isolate the coil you need a special meter. The meter needs to supply a very low voltage otherwise you risk turning on the circuit and getting a false reading. The coil resistance of this watch is supposed to be between 2K and 2.2 K ohms.

 

Then there is the other problem this watch was designed to run on a Mercury battery 1.34 V and the modern silver cell at 1.55 can cause problems in some of these watches. I've attached the Omega PDF that explains this.

 

John

 

 

No 23 Modification of electronic module_Calibre 1310 E_2004_.pdf

[Geo]

Thanks for posting the PDF file John, it explains things perfectly! Not only that, it shows that Roger's movement requires the modification.

[clockboy]

A reminder when measuring coil resistance of a coil that is in an electric watch unless you can isolate the coil you need a special meter. The meter needs to supply a very low voltage otherwise you risk turning on the circuit and getting a false reading. The coil resistance of this watch is supposed to be between 2K and 2.2 K ohms.

 

Then there is the other problem this watch was designed to run on a Mercury battery 1.34 V and the modern silver cell at 1.55 can cause problems in some of these watches. I've attached the Omega PDF that explains this.

 

John

Thanks John another piece of the never ending learning curve added.

[rogart63]

Thanks for posting the PDF file John, it explains things perfectly! Not only that, it shows that Roger's movement requires the modification.

Looks easy to do? But wonder what kind of diod to use? Have a spare Tissot movement with broken coil. Could test to modified that first . If only now which value the diod should be . 

 

What you need is one of these. This a pic not of the one I have but is the same style as I have I use it a lot when deciding what size is needed.

 

 

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I now they are different .Couldn't find a Renata in the right size at home. This was just to show the difference in the + side . As u see the Renata is much flatter on top . This batteries was not the ones i used. These i took from the scrap bag. 

[rogart63]

I search a little and found this .In Dutch :) .My dutch is not so good but can see that the diod is a 1N139. Going to order some from Ebay .http://www.horlogeforum.nl/t/omega-1310/47841

[oldhippy]

I never thought I'd see so much plastic in an Omega watch.

[rogart63]

Not any on Ebay .Not 1N139 but almost anything else . Have to look elsewhere . Anyone now if there is any good company that sells electronic parts out there . Amazon? 

[Kraai]

I search a little and found this .In Dutch :) .My dutch is not so good but can see that the diod is a 1N139. Going to order some from Ebay .http://www.horlogeforum.nl/t/omega-1310/47841

 

On the horlogerforum they make the mistake to use colour codes from resitors.

 

Any germanium diode is good, the only problem is it must be small.

 

A diode cuts a little of the voltage. For an germanium 0.3 volts. For an silicium 0.2 volts.

[Kraai]

correction silicium 0,7 volts.

[rogart63]

On the horlogerforum they make the mistake to use colour codes from resitors.

 

Any germanium diode is good, the only problem is it must be small.

 

A diode cuts a little of the voltage. For an germanium 0.3 volts. For an silicium 0.2 volts.

Perfect then i can search one on Ebay . As i have a Tissot 2100 movement that will be my testing movement .  Same movement as the Omega 1310 . 

[Kraai]

Perfect then i can search one on Ebay . As i have a Tissot 2100 movement that will be my testing movement .  Same movement as the Omega 1310 . 

It must be in series arrangement with the motor connection.

When it does not work dan you have to turn the diode.

The current flow is oneway.