Can you spot why this is a marriage

[oldhippy]

New members on here that are into clock repairing this is more for you then those that are advanced, but please give your comments as well.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284299341604?hash=item42318faf24:g:g-0AAOSwv7RgpLT5

 

[Bod]

5th picture shows all.

Shame there's no pictures of the insides.

At least (and here I may be wrong)the case and maker on the dial are both north country.

 

Bod

[Michael1962]

I don't know why someone would do this, modify the dial the way they have and leave it so visible and obvious?

I'm not a clockmaker. Just particular is all.

 

[RogerH]

At they are selling it as sold as seen and not a genuine article. As Bod said, it would be good to see inside but the fact nothing seems to fit clearly shows it's not right. The dial is quite impressive - I didn't know you could do that!

[HectorLooi]

Photo 5. Original winding holes are plugged up and new holes drilled. Non original movement. 

[Tmuir]

I'm not even sure if the chapter ring goes with that dial, look at the nasty way it has been riveted on with steel rivets at 12,3,6, and 9. I have trouble believing that the original maker would fit it so clumsily.

It's hard to tell from the photo but the dial also looks like it has gaps below and to the left so it does not fit the hood.

I'm also guessing those hinges are not original either.

[AndyHull]

Photo 9 looks suspiciously like "genuine 19th century" epoxy resin to me, but I could be wrong.

[watchweasol]

The case and style of the clock looks ok its made of oak, the dial also looks original apart from the re work and fitted blanks (badly) which would mean a movement change. Normal Wm Hargreaves 1741 to 1813.  clocks go for around £800 to £1000 plus as this is offered at £250  and the fact there are no movement pictures  bascially its a Bitsa (marriage) Settle is in North Yorkshire near Skipton, My home county.

[AndyHull]

2 minutes ago, Tmuir said:

I'm also guessing those hinges are not original either.

I suspect if the case maker was worth their salt, then the originals would have been hidden. Those do look a little bit like a later repair.

[AndyHull]

On the plus side.. at least they didn't fit a quartz movement.

[oldhippy]

The case is wrong. The bottom has been added. 

[watchweasol]

Many longcase clocks had the bottom either cut off or added due to the fact most of them stood on stone floors and were subject to a great deal of damp as the floors were scrubbed and swilled off with water with little regard to the clocks that stood on them. only on the big houses did they stand on oak or pine floors and did not suffer as much. 

[oldhippy]

That is correct. 

[Michael1962]

I think that the hands may not be a matching pair either.

Also whatever used to be in the small cutout at 6, presumably seconds, does not appear to be there anymore either.

Wouldn't touch this with a barge pole.

[KarlvonKoln]

The taper pin on the center arbor is the only way I know there isn't a quartz movement hiding in there.  Outside of that, not specializing in this kind of clock, seeing mismatching with appearance and fit and finish would make me wary enough to stay clear of it, unless I became determined to restore it.

[oldhippy]

15 minutes ago, KarlvonKoln said:

The taper pin on the center arbor is the only way I know there isn't a quartz movement hiding in there.  Outside of that, not specializing in this kind of clock, seeing mismatching with appearance and fit and finish would make me wary enough to stay clear of it, unless I became determined to restore it.

A waste of money restoring this. It would be throwing good after bad. 

[Michael1962]

Price is also a bit rich if it is 'found' as they say in the ad.

I think they will 'find' it will be with them for a bit longer.

[RogerH]

Would love to see what's inside. If the outside is anything to go by it would a treasure trove of surprises!