Pallet cock

[gary17]

Hi

I have just started my first rebuild.

I'm hoping to get help.

I'm doing my first rebuild and i've come to the escape wheel and the pallet (the anchor thing with 2 jewels that interacts with escape wheel)

Do they just have to be placed on the jewel? I can see no hole within the jewel to accept the escape wheel or pallet.

It just seems very loose.

Is this correct or have i made another mistake

Thought i would ask before screwing down the pallet cock.

cheers

gary

 

 

[CaptCalvin]

14 minutes ago, gary17 said:

Hi

I have just started my first rebuild.

I'm hoping to get help.

I'm doing my first rebuild and i've come to the escape wheel and the pallet (the anchor thing with 2 jewels that interacts with escape wheel)

Do they just have to be placed on the jewel? I can see no hole within the jewel to accept the escape wheel or pallet.

It just seems very loose.

Is this correct or have i made another mistake

Thought i would ask before screwing down the pallet cock.

cheers

gary

 

 

Huh... Very odd that a pivot jewel would have no hole for the pivot. Can you provide a picture of the situation? Could it be a capped jewel but with hole jewel missing?

Edited August 12, 2019 by CaptCalvin

[gary17]

I think i've explained wrong,There's a hole with a jewel at the bottom of each hole.The pallet  and escape wheel both fit in the hole. but there no hole, In the jewel itself? So the escape wheel and pallet are loose fitting into there holes.

God i hope i've explained that better

apologies

gary

Edited August 12, 2019 by gary17

[Nucejoe]

Perhaps you are refering to fork slot, this is the slot in the fork that pallet jewels slide in. If loose pallets can slide in and out.

[Nucejoe]

The two pallet jewels slide in the fork slot, if loose you best get a spare fork. Pallet adjustment at this point is not an option.

[Nucejoe]

No not this? 

Will you take a quick look at parts name? 

If no hole in escapewheel arbor jewels there is either cap jewels or rub-in jewels .

[nickelsilver]

Have you looked at any YT vids of how a watch works? Sorry I don't have a link handy but there are a bunch, some of tge old ones from Hamilton and Elgin/ Waltham are superb, very clearly showing the function of each part with animation and everything.

[gary17]

OOps

sorry

[gary17]

The  book i am using calls the fork? the pallet, the wheel, the escapement wheel. And the bridge over the top securing them the pallet bridge.

It is from 1957.

[jdm]

If you can't see the hole you are not using a loupe. 

Then if you see the hole, but the wheel or pallet fork fits loosely as in never finding its place , then the pivot has been snapped. 

Edited August 12, 2019 by jdm

[gary17]

Hang on

See the two purple hole? the jewel holes? The escape wheel axle or arbour goes in to 1 hole. and pallet? or fork? axle arbour goes in other.?

The teeth intermesh escape moves fork or pallet which then in turn moves balance..

But both escape and fork are loose.

pics

[rduckwor]

If what I am seeing is what I think I am seeing, I can see a hole for the pallet fork with an intact jewel. Again, it appears to me that the jewel for the escape wheel is absent without leave.  I do hope I am wrong for your sake.

RMD

[gary17]

nope your right it explains the looseness of everything.

[nickelsilver]

The escape should go in red circle, the pallet in blue circle, are there jewels in both holes? Can't really tell for red.

[CaptCalvin]

Huh that would make it a very unusually shaped pallet. Can you photograph that part for us too?

[nickelsilver]

Huh that would make it a very unusually shaped pallet. Can you photograph that part for us too?

Yes. But the pallets would line up with the view holes in green and I can't see anywhere else the escape wheel would go.

[Nucejoe]

Is it a seiko 6***   ?     Give caliber please. 

[rduckwor]

13 hours ago, nickelsilver said:

Yes. But the pallets would line up with the view holes in green and I can't see anywhere else the escape wheel would go.

That's why I think the escape jewel is missing.  It should be in the hole circled by the left green circle.

RMD

[nickelsilver]

1 hour ago, rduckwor said:

That's why I think the escape jewel is missing.  It should be in the hole circled by the left green circle.

RMD

That'd be too close to the pallet and the 4th wheel wouldn't reach it.

[stevew]

Thats the pallet fork. Should be holes for the pivots. As said send a picture

[HSL]

This was fun, but looking at the quirky setup and how the bridges are fastened .. are you sure this isn't a Pin - Lever movement?

[nickelsilver]

This was fun, but looking at the quirky setup and how the bridges are fastened .. are you sure this isn't a Pin - Lever movement?

That would be my opinion not seeing the escapement.

[rduckwor]

12 hours ago, nickelsilver said:

That'd be too close to the pallet and the 4th wheel wouldn't reach it.

Then I see no obvious place for the escape wheel in the plate.

RMD

[Nucejoe]

I put the gear train bridge on mainplate and see what hole corresponds with whatever jewel we think is missing.

[HSL]

4 hours ago, rduckwor said:

Then I see no obvious place for the escape wheel in the plate.

The beauty with escapements is the fact there has been so many different solutions throughout time, take for example the escapement in a pin-lever, sometimes you have them setup like a super duper co-axial speed racer.
So in this case one really can't tell what it is or how it is configured until he posts Pictures of the complete movement, before strip  or at least Pictures of the escape Wheel and fork.