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  1. Yep. The cap stones for the escape are set in screw-retained settings. RMD
  2. " Sorry if i find the post a bit confusing but we are talking about the balance cap jewels, picture 1-2 is one movement and picture 3 is a different movement but same caliber Elgin 712? If all 3 pictures is of a balance end stone/cap jewel then the only one that looks correct is picture 3. " Saswatch88: the first two pictures are intended to show the setting for the cap stone and the glue I removed from said setting. RMD
  3. That's the one I was thinking of. The "lyre" shaped spring. I simply could not remember what it looked like when I was working on this movement. That would certainly fit this setting WITHOUT the cut-out for the KIFF spring. Yes, they weren't shock settings. I remember reading in an Elgin publication how they crowed about this spring and the reductions of "lost" screws for the people servicing their movements. Thanks, RMD
  4. I'm working on an Elgin 712 movement and was about to go to a scrapper movement for the main plate until I found this: (first picture). An end stone with no visible means of support. No spring, no screwed setting ring, nothing holding it in until I ran it thru the cleaner and it fell out. Upon further examination, I found this: (picture two). Lots of glue in the setting. Now the movement I am working on has a KIFF spring over the end stone (picture three). I checked the second scrapper in my pile and it too has no visible means of support for the balance end stone and I suspect that it too is glued into the setting. Neither scrapper setting has cut-outs for a spring insertion. Was this ever a common practice for manufacturers? I know Elgin has some special glue for hairspring collets and studs, but jewels? Thanks, RMD
  5. This will be on hold for a while. I pinged away the stud screw and don't have any yet in my part box. Thanks and back when I get it assembled and running. RMD
  6. Hairspring, lower, and upper balance pivots. I see nothing here. I'm wondering if the HS was shortened by a previous actor. Movement came as a non-runner. Thanks, RMD
  7. I looked at the balance/pivots/HS under the scope last night and will try to post pictures today. The HS is as perfect as any I have seen. The upper and lower pivots were straight and unfortunately flat on the tips. I will have to look at some other Elgin Balances to see if this is normal for their manufacturing processes. Thanks, RMD
  8. A vintage Elgin 15/0, Gr 559. I took it down, cleaned and lubricated it and it is gaining 15 minutes/24 hours. I have looked at the HS, it appears to be perfect, clean, flat, not magnetized (de-magged the movement X 3 already), and in position between the regulator pins. Not hung on the center wheel. Correct mainspring, and balance is not knocking. I do not remember amplitude, but IIRC, it was above 22 which is O.K. by me with the movement. Please give me some ideas as to how to correct this. It doesn't seem like there are enough timing washers in the world to slow this down! Thanks, RMD
  9. You need small GLASS jars with metal lids that seal well for cleaning solutions. These are placed in the ultrasonic tank partially filled with water to conduct the sound energy. Good Luck, RMD
  10. Yes, the HS is pinned to the stud with a tiny brass pin. As others have noted, repinning the HS will effectively alter the length of the HS thus altering the timing of the escapement. Its good practice, but you may not be able to regulate the movement following your efforts. As I said though, good to know how to do this particular repair. Good Luck, RMD
  11. I use naphtha which is essentially lighter fluid. Get some sealed glass jars from Amazon (Small ones work very well). You can peg jewels with toothpick/cocktail sticks until you buy some peg wood. Pith the pivots before and after the first cleaning cycle ( I use three jars successively). Remember it is flammable and don't breath the vapor from the cleaners any more than necessary. Naphtha will dissolve many plastics, so be careful or they will contaminate your cleaning jars and potentially damage any plastic parts (Seiko). Good luck and have fun. RMD
  12. That one might work OK for a while. Spend a little more and get a better one with a stainless tank. It will last longer. Also, you will need small glass jars for cleaning solutions or solvents (Amazon), pith wood, and peg wood to clean the pivots and jewels (Esslingers or CousinsUK). Maybe some wire baskets made for watch parts is a good idea as well.
  13. You are correct good sir. I guess God watches over fools and foolish watch tinkerers. Thanks for your reply. RMD
  14. RESOLVED: The upper pivot was not seating in the jewel. Put it on the scope and seated it under direct vision. Running now. I'll let it run the new lube in over night and then regulate. Thanks. RMD
  15. OH: I'm not sure I ever got the pivots seated. I am going to try once again and will check end shake and make certain the pivots are in the jewels. I have attempted to seat the pallet at least 10 time today. what's that saying about doing the same thing over and over . . . Thanks, RMD
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