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This discussion almost looks like it should be of two separate sections too many things at the same time. Basically the escape wheel discussion should be in a separate section. So spring for holding in jewels aren't always meant to be removed. Then to add to the confusion if you look in the Bestfit book #111 there is a section on shock absorbers. So to help you out they have pictures of various types so you you can attempt to figure out what you have remember this catalog was done in 1961 they've added a few since then and there showing 84 different systems. So typically the spring is that do not come out are found in the gear train,, the escape wheel possibly other jewels and occasionally on really cheap balance wheels. So for these there left in place cleaned in place lubricated for the backside. The cleaning fluid will penetrate where it's supposed to go. If you have the misfortune of disassembling more than likely it's going to be an entire assembly if you can find it. So an older version of the Kif catalog can be found here unfortunately it doesn't have the starting part of the book so I've scanned in some of the images of mine. http://www.phfactor.net/wtf/KIF%20Tech%20Sheets/ So to identify what you have you look at the spring. Notice number 7 on the bottom there is no separate spring because it doesn’t come out. Then once you identify the number of the spring you’re looking for you to look at the cross reference which is interesting in that it’s a little different than most. You find the watch manufacturer you’re supposed to know which spring you have because it’s not listed by the model numbers by the spring number first then the model number. So casually trying to look for something is a lot harder if you don’t know what you’re looking for. Then as the discussion is for 3 I’ve attached the section on disassembling, assembling and replacement of the spring. Then yes the pictures make it look a lot easier than it is in real life. Then the section on lubrication. There’s two methods of doing this and for both methods I still recommend removing for cleaning. So the conventional dip oiler. Then if you have an automatic oiler the whole thing can be done assembled. Do not attempt to use a dip oiler when it’s assembled as you’ll never get the lubrication where it’s supposed to go. To understand this I’ve attached an image from the incabloc website found at the link below. The shock jewel assemblies are mounted in a Bloc which usually has a very small hole on the plate side. Then even if you somehow to get the oil past that hole the hole jewel is also in a setting that can also have a really small hole. http://www.incabloc.ch/en/systeme_incabloc.php Then too many watches in this discussion. For the Bulova a bit of a mystery I looked it up on one of the sites I look at and I get the information below indicating it's not a number three spring but it's number 6 and a different name. If you look in the PDF catalog it doesn't exist except it's supposed to be equivalent to a 11anac which does exist. It is possible we were variations which is why you need to identify by the spring shape which one it was. BUL 11ANACB 400/1364 SHOCK SPRING, UPPER/LOWER 6-1/KIF ULTRAFLEX 111F-112F/BUL 3AE ROL 3135 400/1375 SHOCK SPRING, UPPER/LOWER KIF 3-3/KIF ELASTOR

Indeed I do. That is what I eventually sourced the bridge from. I know where there are two for sale, but long story short, I don't want to now have to buy them as just paid a good lump of cash for just the bridge off one of them!

Sorry Vivib there was an issue with my PM box (full) the issue has now been resolved.

Nice!, keep them coming! Today I grabbed a Tag to wear.

Thanks for all the comments on yesterday's Audax, it seems to have been well received. Today it's a Vertex Revue. One of my smaller vintage watches but very comfy and an excellent time keeper.

Nice looking watch Mira. Hope clockboy can help you . I do think like the others . Loose cannon pinion .

Welcome to the forum vivid. As the guys have indicated it is in the area of the cannon pinion that will be the problem. The only way to investigate will be to remove the movement from the case, remove the hands & possibly the dial. PS if you are not confident with this but you are willing to cover the post someone in your area (i.e. UK) will have a look & see. I live in Kent & will have a look just PM me.

What the heck , Try another color scheme...The red IS red....the blue ?..............what can I say ? ...oh wait , I know ,..... "Not my cup of tea " Use a transfer from one of your model car kits . It doesn't even have to fit neatly in the diameter of the dial ....You Know ,.... Dali-esque :rolleyes:

Sounds like a loose canon pinion to me. When you set the time with the crown how much resistance is there? does it turn really easily or is there a bit of drag?

Use a screwdriver instead of a pointy tweezer to depress the setting lever as this will prevent you pushing it too far. Pushing too far can cause the yoke to slip over the clutch wheel and then you need to do some dismantling to resolve that.