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Given that it has a micro adjuster, high quality jeweling and finish, and has been adjusted to five positions at the factory when new, I would say you have a very high quality watch.  A very good buy at the price you paid.

Will is the the man to give you the best answer, but is on holiday just now.

 

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Given that it has a micro adjuster, high quality jeweling and finish, and has been adjusted to five positions at the factory when new, I would say you have a very high quality watch.  A very good buy at the price you paid.

Will is the the man to give you the best answer, but is on holiday just now.

 

Thanks Geo, if you look very hard, there are good deals out there as most people do not appreciate the value of what they have. I will see if I can clean the dial and make sure it is fully serviceable once it arrives.

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The "longhand" you see says A.Lincoln as in Abraham.

"13 and 12 size Illinois pocket watch models:

The Aristocrat model, the Ariston model, the Autocrat, the Ben Franklin model, Burlington watch co., the Central model, the Diamond, Ruby and Sapphire models, Elite, Illini, Inter- State Chronometer, A. Lincoln, Maiden America Marquis, Railroad Dispatch Special, the Santa Fe Special, Sterling, Stewart Special, Time King, Transit, Vim, Washington Watch company.

and the various Illinois 13 and 12 size models known by their model numbers: model 121, model 127, model 129, model 219, model 403, 405,409,and the model 410."

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http://www.watchrepair.cc/illinois-pocket-watch-repair.html

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The "longhand" you see says A.Lincoln as in Abraham.

"13 and 12 size Illinois pocket watch models:

The Aristocrat model, the Ariston model, the Autocrat, the Ben Franklin model, Burlington watch co., the Central model, the Diamond, Ruby and Sapphire models, Elite, Illini, Inter- State Chronometer, A. Lincoln, Maiden America Marquis, Railroad Dispatch Special, the Santa Fe Special, Sterling, Stewart Special, Time King, Transit, Vim, Washington Watch company.

and the various Illinois 13 and 12 size models known by their model numbers: model 121, model 127, model 129, model 219, model 403, 405,409,and the model 410."

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http://www.watchrepair.cc/illinois-pocket-watch-repair.html

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I've been reading all this and followed it throughout the day. I know very little about American P/Watches as not many came my way. I can see it is a superb movement. No one has mentioned anything about the case. So here is my question what is the case made of. Is it silver or metal, if silver what is the quality like is English silver quality, if metal what type.

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58 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

I've been reading all this and followed it throughout the day. I know very little about American P/Watches as not many came my way. I can see it is a superb movement. No one has mentioned anything about the case. So here is my question what is the case made of. Is it silver or metal, if silver what is the quality like is English silver quality, if metal what type.

From the green discolorations and no sign of copper at the edges or wear i would say its solid nickel. 

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57 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

 No one has mentioned anything about the case. So here is my question what is the case made of. Is it silver or metal, if silver what is the quality like is English silver quality, if metal what type.

The case on this one is a "SPARTAN" and as the name suggests is one of the cheaper option cases being a Base metal that is nickle plated. The vast majority of the American made pocket watches seem to be Gold filled cases of varying degrees of gold thickness and fineness. I always find it odd that some really superb movements are put in quite low quality cases. I have a superb Longines pocket watch made for the American market and the case is simply marked Illinois base metal

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So the Hamilton case is not nickle as I just took off the back and tried to stick a magnet to it and no attraction. I must then assume it is Silver, correct? Kind of like testing if someone is a witch by seeing if they float (Monti python)

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This link has a explanation of case  grades and the materials they are made from for Illinois watch cases,

http://mb.nawcc.org/showwiki.php?title=Illinois_Watch_Case_Co

 

 

From this link, it looks like the case is base metal and chrome? I did not know they had chrome processing for pocket watches in 1924?

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13 hours ago, jdrichard said:

From this link, it looks like the case is base metal and chrome? I did not know they had chrome processing for pocket watches in 1924?

I've got high grade Hampden in Defiance train case, this one I know is a re-case, (two different case screws), many high grades may have had original karat case scrapped, sad but true, your Illinois doesn't look like recase. Sometimes folks bought a good movement, but couldn't afford a karat gold case, other times a lesser value movements can be found in solid gold cases. My 21J is a "Miller Watch Co Canton",  movement marked and "Miller" dial, I have been told it's maybe a 'one off' made for my Great Grandpa. I'm clueless about case metal, but it's definitely newer than mvt. I thought chrome wasn't around until 30's.DSCF0204.JPGDSCF0205.JPGDSCF0206.JPGDSCF0207.JPG

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So from my friend Jim the Greek, you can put a spot of bleach on a silver case and it will turn black; not on chrome. Do this on the inside of the case with a toothpick and not a paintbrush smile.png. THIS IS THE TEST.

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1a151283fac42d129eb9e7b41de297f0.jpg test on silver works.

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