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Hi everyone! I'm Stephane from Canada. I got really interested into watchmaking and watches collecting since last year. Since good watchmakers are so rare in Canada and the prices they ask to service even simple movements is really high, I told myself i should get into watchmaking to service my own watches as it's cheaper to acquire the proper tools than to get it serviced just once. Tools can be used over and over, recovering the costs after just 1 service.
Great forum that I read a lot in the last few months as I gather informations about the proper tools, cleaning supplies and oils/greases. I also love videos on YouTube and I learned a lot of interesting informations and tips.
Looking forward to participate in the community and maybe one day, give back to them.
Hi everyone, first post for me but a long time lurker of this sub-section as I'm starting into watchmaking. I'm in the process of getting the needed tools and remain some stuff to come with long delays in parcel shipping/deliveries...
I did a lot of research across many forums as I try to get what is really essential and what can be substituted. Here is what I resumed so far in my notes :
Must have oils/grease :
Moebius 9010 : Good for balance and escape wheels jewels. Moebius 8000 is a cheap substitute but with the longer life of synthetic oils, it's better to get 9010 even if it cost a bit more which can be split across over 1000 movements.
Moebius 9415 : For pallet stone. This is the only choice which make sense (some say 941 for slow movements and 9415 for faster movements but the main difference is that 9415 is a grease which turn liquid on impact so it stay on the pallet stone better).
Moebius 9104 (HP-1300) : heavier oil for the rest of the gears jewels, barrel arbor, cannon pinion. some even say it's also good for keyless works but i believe it's not really optimal. It replace Moebius D-5.
The only things left I still get so confused with many contradictory informations are greases for keyless works and braking grease.
For keyless works, the ideal one is 9501/9504 (not sure about the difference) but it's really expensive. Many recommend Molykote DX as a good substitute and I agree it's a good price but the problem is that it can contaminate cleaning solutions and many manufacturers ban them from the servicing protocol. Another one I heard something is Bergeon KT-22, a bit more expensive than Molykote DX but is a clear color, not staining cleaning solutions. I'm thinking to go with KT-22 as keyless works isn't as sollicited as gears/motion works and it's easier to reapply without needing a full service (just disassemble keyless works to clean then reassemble/grease). What are your opinions on this.
For braking grease (only for automatic movements), The general recommendation for the best is Kluber P125 but it's really expensive and not easily found everywhere. The generally accepted consensus is 8212 for Aluminium/steel barrel wall and 8213 for brass barrel wall. But there is also 8217 available, which is a stronger braking grease from what I understand. Since I want to get only 1 which can serve all purposes, what is the proper choice ? Are there other alternatives I might have missed out.