A Seiko 6119?

[rossjackson01]

Hello everyone. Me again. I need advice and information please.

I purchased a Seiko 6119 to repair. I purchased a donor advertised as a 6119. It arrived and the case looked wrong, but the back stated 6119 8140. 

I've just opened it up and the interior is nothing like any Seiko that I know. My experience is limited to low end Seiko's. 7009, 6309, 6319, 7S26 and now 6119.

The case looks as though it could be from a 4006, I could be wrong.

The movement is alien to me. Any advice please

Thank you

Ross

 

 

 

Edited August 8, 2023 by rossjackson01
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[Nucejoe]

No bad news,

This has manual wind as well as autowider device, so if a Seiko it be worth more than a 6119.

It can also be an Orient, some Orients movements look much like Seiko.

Oh hi Ross, must be nice and cool over yonder.

 

[rossjackson01]

15 minutes ago, Nucejoe said:

Oh hi Ross, must be nice and cool over yonder.

 

Yes summer here. 61 degrees. Rain, rain. wind, wind, cloud, cloud.  57 degrees tomorrow. 

 

Movement does not have automatic rotor. 

[JohnR725]

1 hour ago, rossjackson01 said:

6119. It arrived and the case looked wrong,

yes that doesn't look quite right at all I circled a few things typically with Seiko they use their own balance protection system and that looks Swiss to me? Not that Seiko and the Japanese the Swiss don't work together for things but that's definitely not quite right + circled the things on the case those don't quite seem right either

oh and looking at the picture my bad I forgot the circle something which I didn't notice until now notice your ratchet wheel missing teeth? But never mind it's not the right watch anyway here's a link to what the picture the watch should look like and this one is definitely not it.

So looks like someone did a retrofit upgrade and the case isn't writes because as a button pushing something and yes definitely not the right watch it all

https://17jewels.info/movements/s/seiko/seiko-6119a/?ref=mizeni

 

[mikepilk]

Doesn't look anything like my 6118 and 6119 !

Here's what a 6119 should look like with the auto mechanism removed.

[rossjackson01]

Thank you for the prompt answers. Yes, I am aware what the 6119 looks like. I now have 2 working 6119s. Still wondering what the watch is though? 

[Waggy]

Got yourself a real Frankenstein there, I think that perhaps the dial and the case-back are Seiko and the rest is from something else. It does remind me of an Orient movement (below) with the weird button to set the day, but as @JohnR725 points out the balance protection looks Swiss and not the triangular (ish) shape you tend to get in older Seikos and Orient. Also, I've never come across a click quite that shape/design before, its a mystery!

Can always look at as you have a unique one-off watch

 

I'm also curious about the rippling effect circled in red in the middle at the bottom - is this real or just a trick of the camera?

[rossjackson01]

18 minutes ago, Waggy said:

Got yourself a real Frankenstein there, I think that perhaps the dial and the case-back are Seiko and the rest is from something else. It does remind me of an Orient movement (below) with the weird button to set the day, but as @JohnR725 points out the balance protection looks Swiss and not the triangular (ish) shape you tend to get in older Seikos and Orient. Also, I've never come across a click quite that shape/design before, its a mystery!

Can always look at as you have a unique one-off watch

 

I'm also curious about the rippling effect circled in red in the middle at the bottom - is this real or just a trick of the camera?

Hmmmm! I'll have a look under the microscope at the ripple. Will let you know. 

It took someone a lot of time to make this movement fit. But to damage a watch in this way? Even as novice, I would not consider this.

[Waggy]

8 minutes ago, rossjackson01 said:

It took someone a lot of time to make this movement fit.

Good point, the time and effort they spent they could probably have bought a real Seiko movement/case 10 times over

[rossjackson01]

2 hours ago, Waggy said:

Good point, the time and effort they spent they could probably have bought a real Seiko movement/case 10 times over

Ah, but i've got a Seiko case (I think), a Seiko dial (with glue), A Seiko 6119 back (scratched) and a very weird movement. And most of all, a talking point with the forum members. Pretty sure I can get it working at some stage. Just need to find a ratchet wheel , or not connect it to the crown wheel.

Good fun this  hobby, innit.

Regards

Ross

[Nucejoe]

Orient or fake Orient ( if fake Orients were ever made)  thats the £10 question.

 

[JohnR725]

7 hours ago, rossjackson01 said:

very weird movement

maybe it would help if you gave us a few more pictures the movement. Like the dial side without the dial.

[rossjackson01]

John. As requested. Still no markings that I can see.

 

 

Waggy. Re: your comment on the red circled part on your posting

Marks appear to be pressure marks. Similar to an item being held in a vice. No determent to the plate. Whew!

Edited August 9, 2023 by rossjackson01

[Pluto]

Looks very much like a Ricoh movement but with a different cap jewel spring.

Mine is from an 061 series auto with manual wind and pusher for the date change.

 

[rossjackson01]

13 minutes ago, Pluto said:

Looks very much like a Ricoh movement but with a different cap jewel spring.

Mine is from an 061 series auto with manual wind and pusher for the date change.

 

Way to go. Think you are right. The dial and day wheel are different. This is a good basis. 

[Waggy]

14 minutes ago, Pluto said:

Looks very much like a Ricoh movement but with a different cap jewel spring.

Looks like you have found the movement for sure, maybe they have replaced a damaged shock jewel setting in the balance complete with a Swiss version. But the rest of the movement seems far too similar to your Rioch to be a coincidence.

[rossjackson01]

5 minutes ago, Waggy said:

Looks like you have found the movement for sure, maybe they have replaced a damaged shock jewel setting in the balance complete with a Swiss version. But the rest of the movement seems far too similar to your Rioch to be a coincidence.

Not often you are wrong. But you are right again (I do like that phrase).

The originally seller offered, and sent a refund. I have already found a Ricoh cheaper that the original, and it's in full working order. Isn't life good?

Another project. Woohoo.

[Pluto]

Have fun servicing the Ricoh. I seem to remember lots of loose springs (4 or5?) ready to fly out.

All good fun and pretty good watches.

[Kalanag]

Should have a special lever escapement:

www.ranfft.de

Edited August 9, 2023 by Kalanag