FE 4611A movement setting time is impossible

[Yoeri40]

Hello Guys,

i'm working on a FE 4611 A automatic.

after dissambly, cleaning i started to oil and assemble the watch.

First i did the keyless works and date setting site. Everything went wel and te stem worked in three positions.

after assembling the trainworks, barrel barrelbridge verything went well but after placing the anker and balancewheel the watch started ticking and could be wound, setting the qucikdate but in possition 3 for setting time, ik was impossible to turn the crown and stem. I hope my explenation is clear.

This is before installing the automatic parts of the movement.

What could have been wrong? Or is it possible the automatic part of the watch has te obe installed also before one can set the watch?

Thx anyway

[watchweasol]

What I would do is to dismantle the watch again and it install the keyless work and the barrel then verify that it all works as it should do if not investigate if ok contine th build. Parts to check,  setting lever, setting lever spring, crown wheel, sliding pinion, stem locking piece

A parts/ tech sheet c be found at cousins document downloads for the FE 4611.  On the Cousins uk site.

[oldhippy]

Are you sure you have used the correct length screw in its right place. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

1 hour ago, Yoeri40 said:

Hello Guys,

i'm working on a FE 4611 A automatic.

after dissambly, cleaning i started to oil and assemble the watch.

First i did the keyless works and date setting site. Everything went wel and te stem worked in three positions.

after assembling the trainworks, barrel barrelbridge verything went well but after placing the anker and balancewheel the watch started ticking and could be wound, setting the qucikdate but in possition 3 for setting time, ik was impossible to turn the crown and stem. I hope my explenation is clear.

This is before installing the automatic parts of the movement.

What could have been wrong? Or is it possible the automatic part of the watch has te obe installed also before one can set the watch?

Thx anyway

As in WW's explanation, start with the minimum amount of components required for a particular function.  Then you know that the function group works by itself and issues that arise during the build are caused by interference from adding futher components. Understanding  how individual function groups work is a great way to learn as a beginner instead of the movement as a whole. Building knowledge in bite sizes , then as experience grows you can begin to piece all that knowledge together and see it as a complete working machine. Know that you will never stop learning though.

[Nucejoe]

Selfwinder device is unrelated to locked stem/ crown.

A check list for locating the fault, 

Eliminate a gear in the minute train,  if no joy next

 Try winding through ratchet wheel.       then

Eliminate the crown wheel.

Rgds

 

 

[LittleWatchShop]

6 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Are you sure you have used the correct length screw in its right place

I think Oldhippy is on to something here.  In particular, check to see if you used the right screws in the pallet fork ("anker" as you say) bridge.  That would be my first guess.

But, could be anywhere.

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Looking into this movement in more detail, I doubt it is a pallet fork screw issue.

This movement does not appear to use a conventional friction cannon pinion which leads me to think you may have an assembly issue on the dial side.

I suggest you disassemble the dial side to find your issue.

[JohnR725]

10 hours ago, Yoeri40 said:

First i did the keyless works and date setting site. Everything went wel and te stem worked in three positions.

after assembling the trainworks, barrel barrelbridge verything went well but after placing the anker and balancewheel the watch started ticking and could be wound, setting the qucikdate but in possition 3 for setting time, ik was impossible to turn the crown and stem. I hope my explenation is clear

One of the confusing problems you're having is without the escapement in place in other words without the pallet fork to stop the gear train from turning everything will seem to be fine on the dial side.

2 hours ago, LittleWatchShop said:

Looking into this movement in more detail, I doubt it is a pallet fork screw issue.

This movement does not appear to use a conventional friction cannon pinion which leads me to think you may have an assembly issue on the dial side.

Yes you notice that the offset cannon pinion what happens if that's not functioning correctly?

The purpose of the cannon pinion Is allow you to set the watch. It holds tight enough to drive everything up but slips when you go into setting if it's not slipping because it was offset and you didn't take it off and lubricate it properly in other words now is holding a really tight that would be the issue you're having. At least that could be one of the issues.

 

[Yoeri40]

Once again i rebuilt the watch and for one reason or the other everything works wel know. I have no idea what i could have done differently but hé i'm glad everything sorted out wel. Thans for your advice anyway.

On an other watch i'm having also a problem with the friction but i'll open an new thread on this one.