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I have an old movement (my first watch ever actually) that has an EB 8805 caliber. I've tried to service it it and it has some funny (cheap ?) solutions that has me puzzled. I managed to disassemble the balance staff shock system but I have not managed to get it back together and onr shock spring has gotten away, never to be seen again. When browsing around I found similar systems that was in my watch called KIF Trior that actually has special tools that might prevent you from turning mad. So my question is if I'm barking up the right tree here. Are these KIF and would the tools from cousins help me ?

 

 

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Yes and yes.  It is possible to make your own tool with pegwood, but fraught with frustration.  Also, one can re-seat the Kiff spring in the setting using two sharp tweezers and a fair amount of profanity.  The trick is to seat two lobes of the spring BARELY into the setting and then while holding the spring, gently and carefully work the third lobe into place.  Hard to describe, but not too hard to actually do, but it can also be frustrating.

 

Ask me how I know.


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Well I figure to be a beginner for at least 10 more years, but:  rduckwor didn't mention that they turn into position.  Actually they screw in clockwise as though into threads.  Tweezers or a small screwdriver did the trick for me whilst steadying with pegwood.

I bought the kit of tools from Jules Borel, but mainly to get the Kifs....  Found some pinged ones later in the oddest of places!

And another bit of advice learned the hard way.  Save the profanity until you are a minimum 2 meters from the bench.  Saves many heartaches!

 

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On 10/6/2019 at 11:49 AM, nichod said:

Well I figure to be a beginner for at least 10 more years, but:  rduckwor didn't mention that they turn into position.  Actually they screw in clockwise as though into threads.  Tweezers or a small screwdriver did the trick for me whilst steadying with pegwood.

I bought the kit of tools from Jules Borel, but mainly to get the Kifs....  Found some pinged ones later in the oddest of places!

And another bit of advice learned the hard way.  Save the profanity until you are a minimum 2 meters from the bench.  Saves many heartaches!

 

The Kiff's can be turned in either direction.  That's the one choice you get to make.  It seems that we are just prejudiced to turning things clockwise.  WHY??

 

The discovery of "pinged" parts is the second law of watchmaking.  You will always find a part you lost when searching for another part you lost.  Unfortunately, you will not remember which movement the found part goes to.

 

The first law is that when holding a part in place with one hand and needing a part to fit, i.e. a bridge, that part will be upside down on your mat.  Attempts to pick this part up and drop it in order to flip it right side up, will ALWAYS result in said part falling and remaining upside down.

 

Murphy was a watchmaker.


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They're bi-directional?  Did not know that.  I'll try that next time and I hope next time never comes!

I've managed to find every ping so far but for an ETA2370 spring barrel.  Truth is as messed up as fiction.  Never work around open boxes of radio parts and try and stick to just one hobby in any given region!

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Thanks for your help. I ordered the KIF tool set with the extra springs since mine went missing. However, when I sat down yesterday to fix it, the d*mn spring mysteriously reappeared on my workbench. I have no idea were it hid but I suspect it stuck to my dust tray somehow. The tools were smaller than expected but color coded on size so it was not a big problem figuring out what size my spring was. After 10 minutes both upper and lower springs were mounted. The tools was worth every penny. My first watch (40+ years) is now ticking away ! 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Flubber said:

Thanks for your help. I ordered the KIF tool set with the extra springs since mine went missing. However, when I sat down yesterday to fix it, the d*mn spring mysteriously reappeared on my workbench. I have no idea were it hid but I suspect it stuck to my dust tray somehow. The tools were smaller than expected but color coded on size so it was not a big problem figuring out what size my spring was. After 10 minutes both upper and lower springs were mounted. The tools was worth every penny. My first watch (40+ years) is now ticking away ! 

 

 

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I plan to get me one of them kif trio spring tools, good news to hear you are statisfied with the purchase.        The watch looks like new.   

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