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12 minutes ago, noirrac1j said:

Yes you are correct. Its a modified Soprod.  The movement is of the highest quality around these days. I think all 28,800 run at 8 ticks per second, but some are smoother than others. As an example, I have an old Omega Seamaster 1020 that the second hand sweeps across as seamless as any watch I've seen. I also have a high beat Jules Jurgensen (ESA 9154)  that doesn't quite match the Omega in smoothness even though both are 28,800, but go about it in totally different ways of course. I also have an Omega Constellation with the 1250 caliber (ESA 9162) and that is an entirely different engine, but it's the smoothest of any watch I know. I haven't seen any Girard Perregaux Hi-Beat or any other 36,000 bph watch movement, though.

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Very cool! I will look into the movements you mentioned.

I was disappointed to have to return my Corum, I was very excited about the movement in that watch. I even bought a dual watch-winder so I could put it in with my Breitling and test the movements together, it came in on the same day as the watch. That thing was a Chinese made piece of junk I got on Amazon and it broke the same day too! It was a rough day.

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4 hours ago, abbtolchester said:

From my conversation with Federico, his opinion is that Jomashop only sells refurbished watches, despite advertising that their watches are new. 

That is a ridiculous claim, actually equivalent to defamation if made in public, and has no support whatsoever searching the net.
Like all other gray market online dealers, they wouldn't last in this business , and actually make a clear statement, that if anyone can prove false, would put them in trouble in this age of instant Internet visibility (WUS and other forums). 

All Our Products:

  • are not refurbished, factory seconds, or replica products

https://www.jomashop.com/company-info/authenticity-guarantee/ 

At the same time it's evident that they  don't inspect every piece they trade, which is of course bad.

Anyway, you should be able to tell if the watch you received was new, or not. 

 

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3 hours ago, jdm said:

Can you back it up with any evidence?

Yes, this post and this watch. But we disagree about it. You think its new, because you believe a big company like Joma would not lie about its policy of selling "only new." Unfortunately, it's also right on their front page that they buy used watches, as long as they can "authenticate" them. 

But as we all know, big companies and people who service watches NEVER lie, right...?

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Yes, this post and this watch. 

Sorry, so far you only have show that your watch has a wrong dial, but haven't proven in any way that is "refurbished". For that you would need at least high-resolution pictures, or the evaluation of an Authorized Dealer.

Anyway, one sheep doesn't make an flock. If you can find any more cases of Jomashop selling anything but authentic, brand new watches, please post here, or even better, seek advice on a mainstream owner's forum like Watchuseek, where much more people than here have a direct experience with the brand and dealer we're talking about.

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31 minutes ago, jdm said:

Sorry, so far you only have show that your watch has a wrong dial, but haven't proven in any way that is "refurbished". For that you would need at least high-resolution pictures, or the evaluation of an Authorized Dealer.

Anyway, one sheep doesn't make an flock. If you can find any more cases of Jomashop selling anything but authentic, brand new watches, please post here, or even better, seek advice on a mainstream owner's forum like Watchuseek, where much more people than here have a direct experience with the brand and dealer we're talking about.

Okay, but you ignored the other piece of evidence. What do you believe Jomashop does with these watches: https://www.jomashop.com/watch-trade-in.html

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2 hours ago, abbtolchester said:

Okay, but you ignored the other piece of evidence. What do you believe Jomashop does with these watches: https://www.jomashop.com/watch-trade-in.html

I think it's even less likely that your watch was bought pre-owned by the dealer.
Because one can understand they just move boxes for new watches, but is not credible that they don't expect what they buy pre-owned. 

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20 minutes ago, jdm said:

 

I think it's even less likely that your watch was bought pre-owned by the dealer.
Because one can understand they just move boxes for new watches, but is not credible that they don't expect what they buy pre-owned. 

I understand what you're saying, and this does make sense. Your theory that this came from Corum this way is plausible, as I see how it could be hard to blame Joma for this if they're just "moving boxes" as you say. And even harder to imagine an authorized dealer would have done this (unless I just have a delusion about the quality of AD's).

At the same time, very hard to imagine Corum would have done it either! Such a bizarre thing to pass inspection at a watchmaker of that calibre. For QC to be at such a high standard and then... that.

I think the answer to this will probably never be known... but it's definitely made me think twice about where I buy my timepieces. I plan for the most part to buy from AD's only in the future

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