Please Help with Case Ring removal and Movement Identification

[aggiedds]

OK - I'm going nuts here. I'm not a beginner watchmaker, but I'm also not a pro. I had this old homage watch and wanted to pressure test the housing - which I did successfully to 150m (that's a story for another day) - but what I could not do is figure out how to remove the movement case ring. It might have a screw on the dial side, but I can't get the dial off because the levers that hold the dial feet in the movement are blocked by the case ring. Any ideas on how to separate the case ring from the movement?

Second question - what movement is this? What kind of crappy movement has the spring barrel exposed?

[oldhippy]

No photo of the front and the dial, so I'm going to say have you tried pushing the movement from the back out through the front. Not sure about the movement but it could be one of those horrid Chinese things. 

[Kalanag]

The design of the movement is definitely ETA 2824-2 but might be a clone.

Normally the ring gets off after removing the two holding screws and the winding stem. No idea why thats not possible in your case.

Edited June 26, 2022 by Kalanag

[mikepilk]

A cheap Chinese ETA 2824 based clone. I tried to repair similar movement for a friend. The quality of the parts was  poor - not designed to be taken apart and cleaned. In the end it was easier, and cheaper,  to replace the movement - https://www.cousinsuk.com/product/skeleton-other-makes

[aggiedds]

3 hours ago, oldhippy said:

No photo of the front and the dial, so I'm going to say have you tried pushing the movement from the back out through the front. Not sure about the movement but it could be one of those horrid Chinese things. 

Yes exactly my thoughts.  I was hoping someone might have had a similar issue and was able to solve it non destructively.  I agree with mike - I would like to just replace the movement with something I can regulate well and I can trust... if I could only get the stinking dial off!  I'm going to give it another try later.  I'll report back if I figure it out.

 

Thanks so much for the responses!

[jdm]

4 hours ago, aggiedds said:

I can't get the dial off because the levers that hold the dial feet in the movement are blocked by the case ring.

I think that if you tap the face of the feet with a pin the dial will leave.

[aggiedds]

OK - so definitely a chinese thing - the face was freaking adhesive taped to the case ring.  geez.  The dial feet holders had to be disengaged as well as getting the adhesive tape to release. 

 

You can see the white  adhesive in the photo.  The movement was definitly a skeletonized 2824-2... I'll be replacing that.