Ingersol

[RichardHarris123]

Hello all 

I'm working on this, please see attached.  I have dismantled, cleaned and reassembled.  The gear train won't rotate, all wheels will rock to and fro a millimetre or so and the pallet moves. 

[RichardHarris123]

Apologies all, I've just asked a really stupid question 

[KarlvonKoln]

No worries.  It isn't as though the rest of us haven't also asked a few really dumb questions in our time.  As I see it, asking a stupid question is often better than doing a stupid thing.  And recognizing the absurdity in it yourself makes you wiser.

[RichardHarris123]

Sensible question. With the barrel in and spinning the balance it will run but not without spinning the balance.  The barrel doesn't seem as though it is meant to be disassembled.  

[RichardHarris123]

It's the balance or more precisely the hair spring. The balance is connected to the top plate and isn't meant to be removed. Is there anything I can do? 

[watchweasol]

Can you post a picture of the balance and top plate, usually the balance is pinned to a post although I havs seen some glued.

[RichardHarris123]

35 minutes ago, watchweasol said:

Can you post a picture of the balance and top plate, usually the balance is pinned to a post although I havs seen some glued.

Thanks, managed to get it running buy turning the adjustment?  All the way to fast, don't know about the time keeping yet 

[watchweasol]

If its running with the regulator hard over to fast check the position of the balance spring through out the travel of the regulator. I should move from end to end without moving the balance spring out of position.

[RichardHarris123]

17 minutes ago, watchweasol said:

If its running with the regulator hard over to fast check the position of the balance spring through out the travel of the regulator. I should move from end to end without moving the balance spring out of position.

It doesn't move smoothly, there's a kink in the spring about half way mark of the regulator.

[watchweasol]

Hi   The kink will have to be teased out so the spring is free from end to end in order for it to run smoothly

[RichardHarris123]

2 minutes ago, watchweasol said:

Hi   The kink will have to be teased out so the spring is free from end to end in order for it to run smoothly

It ran great for about 5 hours then stopped.  How do you tease it out? 

[watchweasol]

It needs two pair of tweezers to gently reform the spring and a great deal od patience and practise

Utube links such as below will give you a decent tutorial.

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrIQZJBQRliU5gAlwh3Bwx.;_ylu=Y29sbwMEcG9zAzEEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1645851074/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fwatch%3fv%3didO5elKgFMA/RK=2/RS=wDaVKHtZopM_3xKRlYUNNnrLNog-

[Plato]

33 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

It ran great for about 5 hours then stopped.  How do you tease it out? 

Running for 5 hours then stopping is probably unrelated to the hairspring kink. 

[RichardHarris123]

42 minutes ago, watchweasol said:

Hi   The kink will have to be teased out so the spring is free from end to end in order for it to run smoothly

 

3 minutes ago, Plato said:

Running for 5 hours then stopping is probably unrelated to the hairspring kink. 

Runs again when I move the regulator 

[RichardHarris123]

1 minute ago, RichardHarris123 said:

 

Runs again when I move the regulator 

How do I remove the balance? 

[Plato]

1 minute ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Runs again when I move the regulator

If the kink is caught between the index pins then it might distort the rest of the hairspring but not after 5 hours of free running. 

[watchweasol]

To remove the balance you will have to split the plares again , first removing the power from the mainspring then turn the plate containing the balance on its back with the balance uppermost and un pin the spring from the post. Then its a case of re forming the sprin correctly.  and re fitting in reverse order.