Jump to content

Recommended Posts

Posted

I was given this £20 automatic and was going to scrap it for any useful parts. Didn't look good on the timegrapher 836c9ac434275604545df232ef405b8d.jpg

But lets just demagnetize it. Glad I did

6a2627bdd9db78e55f776fab187e5f1a.jpg

Think I'll keep it.

It had a centre second hand and sub second???

So I removed the centre second

9d67584cc79a4809f4311f3f377d2f93.jpg

ae2e6b837e028105e0744f13e39c0002.jpg

 

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

 

 

Posted
2 second hands ? Very interesting ....

The movement doesn't even hack. I've no idea why it would have 2 second hands. Also before demagnetising I would of swore it had issues in the escapement!

Sent from my SM-T585 using Tapatalk

Posted
13 hours ago, digginstony said:


The movement doesn't even hack. I've no idea why it would have 2 second hands. Also before demagnetising I would of swore it had issues in the escapement!

Sent from my SM-T585 using Tapatalk
 

You can synchronize watches with yourself......

Posted

The movement doesn't even hack. I've no idea why it would have 2 second hands.

Because the engineer had the idea of making a single movement where you fit a wheel or the other according to the need.
And then the maker had the idea of fitting both to make it look as it a complication in the hope of selling more.
  • Like 1
Posted

Because the engineer had the idea of making a single movement where you fit a wheel or the other according to the need.
And then the maker had the idea of fitting both to make it look as it a complication in the hope of selling more.

Got it now[emoji5]

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Posted
What is the movement?

I haven't had it apart but can't see any markings on the movement what so ever. Nothing under the balance wheel either I did check

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Posted
What is the movement?

I had another look at the movement incase I missed something. Can't see any identification. Have posted pics incase it can be recognised. Tried to take rotor off assuming it was centre screw but it didn't want to shift even with gentle prising. Don't think the 2 side screws will lift the rotor out, more like the bearing will fall off inside the movement! Think it's a matter of taking the bridge off and see what's going on.
The watch has puzzled me, particularly the Timegrapher. Thought that first reading was more relevant to a loose stone or possibly the pallet stone was going too deep into the escapement wheel? Or something was touching. Can't see the relevance to magnetism?
Believe@Jdm explanation as a superfluous marketing gimmick to sell more is correct. Can't see it working, looks awful with 2 second hands in my view. I couldn't work out any functional reasons for 2 hands.
Not expecting any surprises. The manufacturer has probably extended the pivot on the 3rd wheel to allow for a sub second.
The movement, to me, looks cheap Chinese and Forsining (Who ever they are) have adapted a dial to the movement. 6ed4846ec69649d9fffc1728530c1d0f.jpg
788add5d08fb15a3b57b0ef567a7d90c.jpg

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

  • Like 1
Posted

It's the same as on my "fngeen"s (try saying that if you dare)

94539074478310.jpg

The watches themselves aren't ugly and I even sold one for 30 bucks :biggrin:. The others go for gifts anyway

94539074446976.jpg

I didn't took pics on the timegrapher... just the memory of that is enough :biggrin::biggrin:

 

 

  • Like 1
Posted
4 hours ago, digginstony said:


I had another look at the movement incase I missed something. Can't see any identification. Have posted pics incase it can be recognised. Tried to take rotor off assuming it was centre screw but it didn't want to shift even with gentle prising. Don't think the 2 side screws will lift the rotor out, more like the bearing will fall off inside the movement! Think it's a matter of taking the bridge off and see what's going on.
The watch has puzzled me, particularly the Timegrapher. Thought that first reading was more relevant to a loose stone or possibly the pallet stone was going too deep into the escapement wheel? Or something was touching. Can't see the relevance to magnetism?
Believe@Jdm explanation as a superfluous marketing gimmick to sell more is correct. Can't see it working, looks awful with 2 second hands in my view. I couldn't work out any functional reasons for 2 hands.
Not expecting any surprises. The manufacturer has probably extended the pivot on the 3rd wheel to allow for a sub second.
The movement, to me, looks cheap Chinese and Forsining (Who ever they are) have adapted a dial to the movement.

Yes it is cheap chinese standard movement with some complications.

The rotor weight has a center screw, it should come out. But You can also go with the two small screws, the bearing wont fall out. The weight is usually to light to be efficient. 

The interesting part would be the sub-second function, how they did it. I have not seen such complication on this type of movement yet. But according the pictures it must be a simple extension of the second wheel. 

Posted
Yes it is cheap chinese standard movement with some complications.
The rotor weight has a center screw, it should come out. But You can also go with the two small screws, the bearing wont fall out. The weight is usually to light to be efficient. 
The interesting part would be the sub-second function, how they did it. I have not seen such complication on this type of movement yet. But according the pictures it must be a simple extension of the second wheel. 

I've got a few things more pressing at the moment but I will take the movement apart and post some pictures.
The rotor seems to sit directly on top of a raised part of the bridge. I'll undo the centre screw again and give it a tug. If not I'll take the bridge and rotor off complete and have a look.

Sent from my SM-T585 using Tapatalk

Posted
Yes it is cheap chinese standard movement with some complications.
The rotor weight has a center screw, it should come out. But You can also go with the two small screws, the bearing wont fall out. The weight is usually to light to be efficient. 
The interesting part would be the sub-second function, how they did it. I have not seen such complication on this type of movement yet. But according the pictures it must be a simple extension of the second wheel. 

Yep you were right. It's the 2 small screws that hold the rotor on.
It has a standard extention on the centre second hand.
And an extension on the 4th wheel. Of course the 4th wheel why did I say 3rd? Every sub second watch I've come across is the 4th wheel !
513d3d3048409debc1cef5c951ec4d52.jpg4e92250165caf6a7210127bd51394ce3.jpg1c1fe98e1dee7c8e93698893a86226c5.jpgefe31faafa7a1dec003242c1bea3e8df.jpg

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Posted

After forgetting this was an auto and wondering what all the extra jewel and holes were for ! Have put the rotor back on. Very fiddly job having to line up reduction gears to there respective jewels and fit the bridge and rotor. Have posted some pics incase of any interest a198e1e2f379b6453a793e4a63ff90b0.jpgc48e3ba5d8d40f313e233781f870fc18.jpg2b3b5a59734f2bad1880363c65b49691.jpg6bf5b5e230dd8670681f81282d70f146.jpg

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

  • Like 1
Posted
4 hours ago, digginstony said:

After forgetting this was an auto and wondering what all the extra jewel and holes were for ! Have put the rotor back on. Very fiddly job having to line up reduction gears to there respective jewels and fit the bridge and rotor. Have posted some pics incase of any interest

9 of 10 of these watches had non-efficient winding mechanism. The weight is to small. But they are a cheap enough to practice with :)

Posted
9 of 10 of these watches had non-efficient winding mechanism. The weight is to small. But they are a cheap enough to practice with [emoji4]

Yep most of my work has been on pocket watches. Seiko was a good inroads for me. Ebay and the problem with any old movement's, so much has already been "Played " with. I find old manual wind Accurists with Swiss movements can be very nice.

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Topics

  • Posts

    • it would be nice to have the exact model of the watch the or a picture so we can see exactly what you're talking about. this is because the definition of Swiss watch could be a variety of things and it be helpful if we could see exactly the watch your dealing with then in professional watch repair at least some professionals they do pre-cleaned watches. In other words the hands and dial come off and the entire movement assembled goes through a cleaning machine sometimes I think a shorter bath perhaps so everything is nice and clean for disassembly makes it easier to look for problems. Then other professionals don't like pre-cleaning because it basically obliterates the scene of the crime. Especially when dealing with vintage watches where you're looking for metal filings and problems that may visually go away with cleaning. Then usually super sticky lubrication isn't really a problem for disassembly and typically shouldn't be a problem on a pallet fork bridge because there shouldn't be any lubrication on the bridge at all as you typically do not oil the pallet fork pivots.  
    • A few things you should find out before you can mske a decision of what to do. As Richard said, what is the crown and all of the crown components made of . Then also the stem .  The crown looks to have a steel washer that retains a gasket. So be careful with what chemicals you use to dissolve any stem adhesives or the use of heat. You might swell or melt the gasket unless you are prepared to change that also . The steel washer maybe reactive to alum. Something I've just used to dissolve a broken screw from a plate. First drilled out the centre of the screw with a 0.5mm carbide . Dipped only the section that held the broken screw in Rustins rust remover. This is 40 % phosphoric acid. 3 days and the screw remains were completely dissolved, no trace of steel in the brass threads. A black puddle left in the solution.
    • I suppose this will add to the confusion I have a roller jewel assortment. It lists out American pocket watches for Elgin 18 size and even 16 size it's a 50. But not all the various companies used 50-50 does seem to be common one company had a 51 and the smallest is 43. American parts are always interesting? Francis Elgin for mainsprings will tell you the thickness of the spring other companies will not even though the spring for the same number could come in a variety of thicknesses. But if we actually had the model number of your watch we would find it probably makes a reference that the roller jewel came in different dimensions. So overlook the parts book we find that? So it appears to be 18 and 16 size would be the same sort of the arson different catalog numbers and as I said we don't have your Mongol know which Log number were supposed to be using. Variety of materials garnered her sapphire single or double but zero mention about diameters. Then in a section of rollers in this case rollers with jewels we do get this down in the notes section Roller specifications but of course zero reference to the jewel size. I was really hoping the roller jewel assortment would give us sizes it doesn't really. But it does show a picture of how one particular roller jewel gauge is used  
    • Seems to still do it through my mobile data, I use an android phone almost exclusively, but I'll double check it. Thanks mark Strange, I'll try my laptop that utilities edge. I've been on site half hour since I got home, it hasn't done it yet. Thanks John
    • At work, I'm on MS Edge, not through chose, on my phone, chrome, no issues with either. 
×
×
  • Create New...