Omega Seamaster original or not?

[Maxwell]

I purchased this Omega watch off of ebay and was excited until I started feeling suspicious about if it is legit or not. The movement appears to be legit but the dial is what is throwing me off, most specifically the hour indexes seem too big and bulky. I feel like it was a Geneve originally that was upbadged/redialed as a seamaster. Additionally, I thought that it did not have the "swiss made" text on it, but upon removal it does indeed have it but is hidden by the case. During removal I found that they had shimmed the movement to fit better into the case and makes it so the caseback does not snap closed tightly, i can remove it with my fingernail easily. Note that the case has no markings of being an omega as far as I can tell. Also has a plain crown with no omega logo. Could this be a redial? Recased? Or something different all together. Thanks in advance.

[Maxwell]

Additional info: marked 565, 29431555 serial number, and shows up as a 1969. 

[watchweasol]

Hi the movement may be Omega but the case and dial look decidedly odd. The caseback has no logo as does the crown. The indexes look far too crude and the Swiss made logo is not centered around the six baton it’s off center. The fact it’s been shimmed to fit the case. Looks like a cobbled job.

[oldhippy]

The dial batons are not in line so the dial is a fake swiss made is also out of line. 

[Maxwell]

 

16 hours ago, watchweasol said:

Hi the movement may be Omega but the case and dial look decidedly odd. The caseback has no logo as does the crown. The indexes look far too crude and the Swiss made logo is not centered around the six baton it’s off center. The fact it’s been shimmed to fit the case. Looks like a cobbled job.

 

13 hours ago, oldhippy said:

The dial batons are not in line so the dial is a fake swiss made is also out of line. 

thank you both for your keen eye. 

[Maxwell]

16 hours ago, watchweasol said:

Hi the movement may be Omega but the case and dial look decidedly odd. The caseback has no logo as does the crown. The indexes look far too crude and the Swiss made logo is not centered around the six baton it’s off center. The fact it’s been shimmed to fit the case. Looks like a cobbled job.

If you were in my shoes, what would you do? Try to return? Deal with it? Are indexes changeable?

[Waggy]

3 hours ago, Maxwell said:

If you were in my shoes, what would you do?

This is a tough one, if I paid the going rate for an Omega Seamaster then I would probably try and return it, however if I got it at a rock bottom price then I may be happy enough to keep it as the movement (which is the important thing) seems to be good. I wouldn't be too hard on the seller as this my be an honest mistake, and they may not have realised that the dial/case/crown is not original. So it's down to you, are you going to feel that twinge of regret every time you put it on that it's not 100% correct, or can you live with it,and for me the price I paid would be a large part of this decision.

[Maxwell]

7 minutes ago, Waggy said:

This is a tough one, if I paid the going rate for an Omega Seamaster then I would probably try and return it, however if I got it at a rock bottom price then I may be happy enough to keep it as the movement (which is the important thing) seems to be good. I wouldn't be too hard on the seller as this my be an honest mistake, and they may not have realised that the dial/case/crown is not original. So it's down to you, are you going to feel that twinge of regret every time you put it on that it's not 100% correct, or can you live with it,and for me the price I paid would be a large part of this decision.

I paid about $370 for it, thoughts? 

[Kalanag]

21 hours ago, watchweasol said:

…the Swiss made logo is not centered around the six baton it’s off center…

The photo is taken from an angle. So the logo might be positioned right.

But yes, the indexes and hands are far from Omega quality.

Edited August 16, 2024 by Kalanag

[Waggy]

2 hours ago, Maxwell said:

I paid about $370 for it, thoughts?

That's quite a chunk to pay, I would go back to the seller and see what they have to say with a view to returning it for a full refund

[oldhippy]

One thing you all seem to have missed is the glass if it is a genuine omega glass there should be omegas motive in the center you can check this by looking at it at  various  angles. You say the button isn't genuine again it should have the motive on it.  

[Neverenoughwatches]

23 hours ago, Maxwell said:

I purchased this Omega watch off of ebay and was excited until I started feeling suspicious about if it is legit or not. The movement appears to be legit but the dial is what is throwing me off, most specifically the hour indexes seem too big and bulky. I feel like it was a Geneve originally that was upbadged/redialed as a seamaster. Additionally, I thought that it did not have the "swiss made" text on it, but upon removal it does indeed have it but is hidden by the case. During removal I found that they had shimmed the movement to fit better into the case and makes it so the caseback does not snap closed tightly, i can remove it with my fingernail easily. Note that the case has no markings of being an omega as far as I can tell. Also has a plain crown with no omega logo. Could this be a redial? Recased? Or something different all together. Thanks in advance

The hour markers are set too close to the edge, simple fact that the swiss made lettering is obscured besides the markers look to be almost touching the chapter ring, also non differentiated from the 12 hour ( only dial i could find with markers anything like this was a Cosmic ) . Dont think I've ever seen a seamaster without a signed caseback maybe a very early one, if it was signed then its partway to being genuine but the crown could have been swapped out and replaced with a plain one, although with an auto you wouldn't expect that to be from wear if so its not an issue with a working self wind.  Personally i wouldn't be happy knowing it was a fake regardless of price, probably chose the less common black dial to pick up more money. My policy is If theres a gut feeling that it isn't right then walk away because it probably isn't. 

7 hours ago, Maxwell said:

If you were in my shoes, what would you do? Try to return? Deal with it? Are indexes changeable?

Nope don't try to chamge them you'll crack the finish. You'd be adding more cost by buying a donor dial. My view is to return as the dial has been refinished and was unstated. 

But thats me , i can be harsh with ebay sellers

[JohnR725]

On 8/15/2024 at 1:16 AM, watchweasol said:

The caseback has no logo

I think the case back alone invalidates that this is an Omega case. There is a possibility of having a case back with no markings on the outside but the printing we see is not what you'd ever see for Omega. Then if there was nothing on the outside there would always be something on the inside at the very minimum the casing number. Because without a casing number we can't identify the watch parts Or even the watch. I don't think I've ever seen Omega that didn't have some casing numbers somewhere on the back.

Then the movement does look like an Omega movement. So if you got it at a cheap enough price the movements okay but everything else is probably not.

Than the crystal if it was a legitimate Omega crystal should have the Omega symbol stamped on the inside which and not seeing.