Frankenstein movement?

[RichardHarris123]

Am I working on a frankenstein movement.  

On the barrel bridge A60, on the train bridge 425, under the balance P356.

Microlist say the P is Peseux but ranfft doesn't list a 355. The movement does look like a  Phenix 355 though. 

[watchweasol]

Hi  I haveattached the tech sheet for the peseux 355 so you can make a comparison with the balancs cock and plates not found on ton the phenix 355 yet.

3180_Peseux 355,385.pdf

[JohnR725]

3 hours ago, RichardHarris123 said:

On the barrel bridge A60, on the train bridge 425, under the balance P356.

Microlist say the P is Peseux but ranfft doesn't list a 355. The movement does look like a  Phenix 355 though. 

Just so we're clear on the numbering schemes? A company selling you a watch will put their name on the dial. Oftentimes they put their name and/or number on the main plate in plain sight.

Then many times they purchase basically an OEM movement from another company. That other company will put their Markings usually under the balance wheel but not always. Then sometimes the purchasing company will remove that or modify the watch.

This means that you can end up with a lot of numbers on your watch that are all legitimate numbers. But possibly extremely unhelpful to figure out like if you're looking for parts because you need to figure out who action made the movement.

Then sites such as ranfft  Listing all those movements and that's only scratching the surface of the quantity of movements ever made.

This is where reference books like bestfit comes in handy. At one time the makers conveniently made all of the setting parts unique and if you have the right book you can look up the setting components in figure out what you have. So if you to watch with no markings at all and you knew the size you could go to the book and possibly figure out what you have. Or in this case we can use the book to verify what you have or have not.

Then if were really lucky we could get a parts list with pretty pictures like the PDF attached. I also have a link to a parts list we can look up which parts cross reference with what etc.

http://cgi.julesborel.com/cgi-bin/matcgi2?ref=PES_355

3 hours ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Phenix 355 though.

You'll also notice that I did include that in the images the setting parts don't match.

3180_Peseux 355,385.pdf

[RichardHarris123]

15 minutes ago, watchweasol said:

Hi  I haveattached the tech sheet for the peseux 355 so you can make a comparison with the balancs cock and plates not found on ton the phenix 355 yet.

3180_Peseux 355,385.pdf 1.39 MB · 0 downloads

Definitely the same. Thanks. 

[RichardHarris123]

8 minutes ago, JohnR725 said:

Just so we're clear on the numbering schemes? A company selling you a watch will put their name on the dial. Oftentimes they put their name and/or number on the main plate in plain sight.

Then many times they purchase basically an OEM movement from another company. That other company will put their Markings usually under the balance wheel but not always. Then sometimes the purchasing company will remove that or modify the watch.

This means that you can end up with a lot of numbers on your watch that are all legitimate numbers. But possibly extremely unhelpful to figure out like if you're looking for parts because you need to figure out who action made the movement.

Then sites such as ranfft  Listing all those movements and that's only scratching the surface of the quantity of movements ever made.

This is where reference books like bestfit comes in handy. At one time the makers conveniently made all of the setting parts unique and if you have the right book you can look up the setting components in figure out what you have. So if you to watch with no markings at all and you knew the size you could go to the book and possibly figure out what you have. Or in this case we can use the book to verify what you have or have not.

Then if were really lucky we could get a parts list with pretty pictures like the PDF attached. I also have a link to a parts list we can look up which parts cross reference with what etc.

http://cgi.julesborel.com/cgi-bin/matcgi2?ref=PES_355

You'll also notice that I did include that in the images the setting parts don't match.

3180_Peseux 355,385.pdf 1.35 MB · 0 downloads

 

22 minutes ago, watchweasol said:

Hi  I haveattached the tech sheet for the peseux 355 so you can make a comparison with the balancs cock and plates not found on ton the phenix 355 yet.

3180_Peseux 355,385.pdf 1.39 MB · 0 downloads

It seems decent, bought as movement only £1.99 and running despite being filthy and clogged with fibres.  

What's your opinion on the movement. 

[RichardHarris123]

15 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

 

It seems decent, bought as movement only £1.99 and running despite being filthy and clogged with fibres.  

What's your opinion on the movement. 

Where do the tech sheets come from? 

[watchweasol]

Hi The movement looks all there and when cleaned up will run ok tech sheets come from the material suppliers and the manufacturers a lot of the SWATCH group material is dealers only and watermarked to prevent copying some can be found on cousins site esslingers and others its a matter of searching  if you cant find any on yor particular watch just post it up some one will have a reference.