What is wrong with this movement

[oldhippy]

As the title says. Do you know what is wrong.

 

 

[Tmuir]

They had clocks in railway signal boxes?

I used to work for the railway in Western Australia in the comms section in all the archival books and diagrams I had access to I never saw a clock in a signalbox.

Other than a bent crutch which is not really a problem I don't know what is wrong

I do not know Kay & Co LTD so I looked them up to find out they were primarily a mail order company but did indeed win a contract to supply GWR clocks.

http://91.197.228.188/~kaysh/2017/03/16/kays-watches-and-clocks/

[Tmuir]

The gap to hold the suspension spring looks a bit wide, but that may be normal for this clock

Edited June 7, 2018 by Tmuir

[wls1971]

The fusee and barrel arbours stick too far out of the back plate they are not rounded or polished at the ends and most of the English fusee clocks I've seen would have brass washers where the screws go into the pillars to hold the plates together.

[oldhippy]

No winner yet. I'm itching to tell you but not yet. Come on members even if you don't know much about clocks have a go.

[wls1971]

I think what it should say on the back is : 

भारत में बनी

 

[Lenj]

Wrong hanger for this clock??

 

[oldhippy]

29 minutes ago, wls1971 said:

I think what it should say on the back is : 

भारत में बनी

 

What does that say?

[wls1971]

Its Hindi for made in India

[oldhippy]

Then you are correct. The whole clock is one big fake. It was made in India, its about 15 years old, it has been aged to make it look old.  I thought the poor so-called stamp engraving and the shocking finish would have told members that no way could it be an English movement.

As the saying goes down here where I live. Its as rough as a badgers ass.

[wls1971]

Like the other thread about Chinese carriages clocks, the Indians seem to specialise in fusee wall clocks and Ebay is full of them popular clocks faked by the Indians are R.A.F wall clocks and Railway clocks one of the big give aways with these clocks without having to see the movement is that they are hinged on the left hand side of the Bezel instead of the right.

[oldhippy]

Yes that is correct.

[Tmuir]

I've seen plenty of fake RAF clocks but this is the first time I've heard about fake railway clocks.

Do you have a picture of what a genuine Kay & Co clock movement looks like/

When I was looking up the company yesterday I could only find pictures of the clocks showing the dial and case.

[oldhippy]

I can not find any photos. What I have found is photos of two fusee movements that are good quality.

[Lenj]

Do you remember this one on Ebay?? they were a wash with these, does anyone know why? Probably obvious..Anyone remember the serial number the same on every clock..lol

Len 

[wls1971]

They often use names of companys that actually existed on the fake clocks coming from India and china this site explains how to spot the fake fusee clocks the serial used on most of these is 6472:

http://www.horologica.co.uk/beware/dial6472.html

[oldhippy]

24 minutes ago, Lenj said:

Do you remember this one on Ebay?? they were a wash with these, does anyone know why? Probably obvious..Anyone remember the serial number the same on every clock..lol

Len 

I would be suspicious right away. The hands are the wrong colour, the writing on the dial is not right it is not in line with 12, so I would say it’s a new dial. Hinged to the left.

[Lenj]

Yep correct and NO Cillet Bland it was Gillet Bland..All have the same movement number and these are stamped 6472 LONDON, other characteristics are very thick glass in the cast brass bezel which normally is hinged to the left hand side....I feel that they were trying to tell us, that all their clocks were fake..

Len

[Lenj]

On ‎09‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 9:05 AM, oldhippy said:

I can not find any photos. What I have found is photos of two fusee movements that are good quality.

Yep good movement in the Winterhalder & Hofmeier??

 

[Tmuir]

Based on what I learnt on this thread I decided to play 'Spot the modern fake' with Fusee clocks.

I came up with 3 that are obviously modern (last 20 or 30 years) fusee clocks made to look older.

I kept each one open in a new tab as I searched through ebay. AT the end I noticed all 3 clocks are from the same seller.

The seller does not state any of them are old and on the RAF sector clock he does state ' Not a wartime original.' So I am not saying the seller is doing anything wrong, but providing the listings just so other people can see more examples of modern fusee clocks made to look older. Although the fact he has 3 fusee clocks all with the same movements in them and different dials and does not mention anything on the clock that has GWR on it that is not original but does on the RAF clock is a bit odd.

Note the are all hinged from the left, have solid pillars with no turning on them and wire instead of chain or cat gut and the finish on some parts are average. Not to mention to me all 3 of the dials just didn't look right.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fusee-10-Inch-Dial-Clock/232804820013?hash=item36343fa42d:g:8ugAAOSwQQlbITNS

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8-Inch-Dial-Fusee-RAF-Sector-Dial-Clock/332679578519?hash=item4d753f8397:g:pnMAAOSwnvVbGowW

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fusee-12-Inch-Dial-Clock/332632724560?hash=item4d72749450:g:F4UAAOSwFWda4cMa

[Tmuir]

But wait he has more.

I could be wrong but I think this LMS clock may not be original.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fusee-12-Inch-Dial-Clock/232798691876?hash=item3633e22224:g:mA8AAOSwbbRbGoyg

[oldhippy]

They are all fake.

[Lenj]

On ‎18‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 2:28 PM, Tmuir said:

But wait he has more.

I could be wrong but I think this LMS clock may not be original.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fusee-12-Inch-Dial-Clock/232798691876?hash=item3633e22224:g:mA8AAOSwbbRbGoyg

Now this is genuine lol, just look at the hand painted dial, must be all of 3 weeks old, my granddaughter could make a better job of that..

[Tmuir]

I just noticed another tell tail sign when I went back to look at the 'LMS' clock for a giggle. It has philips heads screws used in the clock case. If it was a genuine clock all screws would be fkat head screws not philips heads.

[oldhippy]

5 hours ago, Tmuir said:

I just noticed another tell tail sign when I went back to look at the 'LMS' clock for a giggle. It has philips heads screws used in the clock case. If it was a genuine clock all screws would be fkat head screws not philips heads.

The pendulum rating nut is also wrong.