Identification please

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Hi guys, can anyone identify the maker etc of this clock from this picture please

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also, this is the balance wheel, now the staff is broken as can be seen, but I'm stuck on how this balance works. It doesn't have an impulse pin/Jewel on it, has it disappeared or is it meant to be part of the staff which has broken?

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heres the escape wheel if this helps you to explain this problem to me. First time on a movement like this, it's pretty clean apart from the broken balance.

thanks in advance

 

 

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Am I right in thinking that the balance staff is a cylinder it a cut out in it which allows the escape wheel to enter and thus turn then exit and so forth?

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, transporter said:

Am I right in thinking that the balance staff is a cylinder it a cut out in it which allows the escape wheel to enter and thus turn then exit and so forth?

Quite right it is a cylinder a broken one. and it wouldn't have an impulse pin or pallets. I'll be very basic here it worked by direct drive, from the m/spring through the train (wheels) to the escape wheel and into the cylinder balance.

[oldhippy]

I'm a bit confused here with the pictures. I see a pocket watch and a small part of a click from a clock which has French stamped on it and a balance which is broken, which I've covered.

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Many thanks for the reply and confirming my thoughts on the balance staff, s for the other picture, well that is a picture of the clock movement, the click is the click on the clock movement (below the key and then the balance) I included that in the frame as it has "france" stamped into the plate next to the click, below that on the other plate is the only other mark on the movement, it looks like a thick "J "  and the number 66 next to it, im hoping this will identify the movement enabling me to find and replace the balance the staff.

Hope this makes sense to you now mate.

[oldhippy]

So it has a platform with a cylinder escapement. You might be able to get a complete replacement from ebay, you need to measure the platform width and length and the depth of the escape wheel so it engages with the contrite wheel (that's the wheel that has its teeth at a funny angle). I don't expect the screw holes to be in the right place on the platform but you never know.

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Hi oldhippy, ok im good to measure the width and depth of the platform, I think, is the platform the rectangular plate that the balance cock is screwed onto?

Now, the contrite wheel ( funny angle teeth ) I would call that the escape wheel ( watch background ) this is where I'm slightly confused with your description, I apologise sorry. What wheel is the escape wheel, once I get to grips with that I might be able to work out how you  ant the depth measured.

Sorry to be a pain with my confusion on a subject that I know you are well versed in.

[oldhippy]

Is the platform the rectangular plate that the balance cock is screwed onto?

Yes that's correct. Here is a photo of a contrite wheel a very worn one that I got from google images. The escape wheel is the wheel that is fitted into the platform between the cylinder and the contrite wheel.

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Ok thanks ill have a good look at the sizes etc in the morning, im still stumped on that makers mark though, I haven't been able to find out who has made this movement. 

I wonder if Rhonda do a cylinder staff that I could use?

[oldhippy]

I think I have a good idea of the type of movement you have and if I'm correct they were mass produced. 

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Ok finally made it home, the movement doesn't have a contrite wheel the escape wheel directly drives the next wheel in the train

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as you can see from the photos it's quite a simple movement but still I have no idea of the maker etc, or how to find a replacement balance staff

[oldhippy]

I've had a look at your photos and you are correct.

It doesn't require a balance staff but a cylinder. These are very very hard to make and can only be undertaken by a specialist, the cylinder is made up of three parts two ends which are called plugs and the center part all are very brittle. to have this work carried out would be very expensive, the cheapest way would be find a second hand one on ebay, but be careful, you don't want one that is to worn as it wont work or keep good time. The only other way you could go but this would also be very costly have a new platform fitted which would have a lever escapement, but it will de-value the clock, to be fair to you the clock doesn't have a high value.  If there is no makers insignia on the movement it will be impossible to find out.   

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The only marks on the movement are of a large J shape followed by 66. I have seen a number of cylinders for sale on the bay, im thinking of measuring mine to the best I can and seeing if I can find one the same ( fingers crossed). I done some research on the cylinders and how they are made etc, very interesting stuff and beyond my means without the correct tooling. So the hunt begins!!!!

[oldhippy]

I wish you luck and do let me know how you get on. If I can be of further help just ask.