Help ID clock

[Willow]

Hi everyone, can anyone ID this clock for me it's not mine just trying to help someone out, thanks.

[oldhippy]

English fusee movement 8 day duration. With anchor escapement. This is the sort of movement you find in dial clocks (school clocks) probably from the early 20th century but they can be difficult to give an exact date. There are some fakes kicking around on ebay which are made in India the way to tell is with the bezel that is the part that holds the glass in place the fakes open from right to left (the hinge is on the left as you look at the clock). I'm enclosing a photo of the sort of case I have been talking about. 

[Willow]

Thanks oldhippy, for that info, so is there no way to find out who made the movement.

[RichardHarris123]

Good morning @oldhippy, if someone in India was going to the effort of faking a clock, why would they get the direction the bezel open wrong?

[Willow]

Can't see the hinge on the photo, and can't read the face, don't if you can oldhippy.

[oldhippy]

Can't get the name at the moment but leave it with me. The name is not the maker it is the seller, many jewelers had their names put on clock and watch dials, all we know is it was sold in London. There might be marks on the movement or on the back of the dial but they will be makers of the clock repairs some even put the date of repair.  

4 hours ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Good morning @oldhippy, if someone in India was going to the effort of faking a clock, why would they get the direction the bezel open wrong?

It is stupid I know, but thank goodness for there stupidly. With close inspection it is possible for someone who  has a good knowledge of clocks to spot the difference in the movements, the plates are not so thick, the pillars are poor in finish, steel quite soft and the finish of the complete movement poor, screw threads poor finish you can tell they are modern. I mentioned the bezel and hinge as that is easy to spot. Hope that will help you in the coming years. 

[oldhippy]

I think the name is Natinal Swarly

[watchweasol]

Hi Willow    been through Baillies book of clock makers nothing so far,   try shining a UV light on the dial to see if it reveals anymore of the characters.  looked up under Nathan and Nathanial  nothing .

[oldhippy]

The name on the dial is not the name of the maker of the clock. It is the person who had a shop that sold it. 

[Willow]

Thanks oldhippy and watchweasol for your help, i think this might have to go down as maker unknown

[oldhippy]

It is probably a mass produced movement.  

[watchweasol]

Hi. I guessed the name was the retailers but had a look any way but no reference.  Most likley as Old Hippy said a generic movement  sold to any body unmarked which allows them to case it up and put their name on the front.

[Rixy]

Hi Willow. The name is, I think, 'National Society'. I looked this up and it is the education division of the Church of England, founded in 1811 and still in operation today. It established many of the Church of England schools (for the education if the poor) across the country so the clock was most likely hanging in a schoolroom somewhere when it was new.

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, Rixy said:

Hi Willow. The name is, I think, 'National Society'. I looked this up and it is the education division of the Church of England, founded in 1811 and still in operation today. It established many of the Church of England schools (for the education if the poor) across the country so the clock was most likely hanging in a schoolroom somewhere when it was new.

Rixy, that makes more sense then the name I came up with. From experience the movement is not as old as 1811, mid to late 1800's I would say.