Fusee

[RichardHarris123]

Can anyone give me an estimate for the age of this?  Read a lot of posts about old pocket watches and I know an exact date is impossible.  

Unfortunately totally knackered, many broken pivots and the fusee chain is missing. 

[oldhippy]

From the type of balance cock and the shape of the movement pillars early 1700s.

[Neverenoughwatches]

3 hours ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Can anyone give me an estimate for the age of this?  Read a lot of posts about old pocket watches and I know an exact date is impossible.  

Unfortunately totally knackered, many broken pivots and the fusee chain is missing. 

Aw rich what a shame. That looks absolutely gorgeous. How did you come by this

[RichardHarris123]

6 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Aw rich what a shame. That looks absolutely gorgeous. How did you come by this

Part of the job lot  with the Rolex? dial in. I have a few more, photos to follow. 

2 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Part of the job lot  with the Rolex? dial in. I have a few more, photos to follow. 

 

[Neverenoughwatches]

5 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Part of the job lot  with the Rolex? dial in. I have a few more, photos to follow. 

 

Wow. All pocket watch movements.  No cases ?

Just now, Neverenoughwatches said:

Wow. All pocket watch movements.  No cases ?

Spares alone worth anything ? Would all need identifying though

[RichardHarris123]

6 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Wow. All pocket watch movements.  No cases ?

Spares alone worth anything ? Would all need identifying though

A couple of cases, loads of dials, several mens wrist watch  movements , including two running automatics, countless ladies movements.  One pair of tweezers is Burgeon. The clock.  About 150 glasses, various sizes, several boxes of screws and the dubious Rolex dial. Finally some barometer hair springs, which I have no use for. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

1 minute ago, RichardHarris123 said:

A couple of cases, loads of dials, several mens wrist watch  movements , including two running automatics, countless ladies movements.  One pair of tweezers is Burgeon. The clock.  About 150 glasses, various sizes, several boxes of screws and the dubious Rolex dial. Finally some barometer hair springs, which I have no use for. 

Nice one. Can I ask how much 

[RichardHarris123]

1 minute ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Nice one. Can I ask how much 

£60, including postage. 

Just now, RichardHarris123 said:

£60, including postage. 

Most of the movements are running, need work but running. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

1 minute ago, RichardHarris123 said:

£60, including postage. 

Cool. Bargain. I paid that for just one pocket watch. Though it is working and silver. How easy do you think it will bevto find cases for any of them? 

[RichardHarris123]

Working on this, trying to find out what make it is . The photo isn't great. 

1 minute ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Cool. Bargain. I paid that for just one pocket watch. Though it is working and silver. How easy do you think it will bevto find cases for any of them? 

Nion impossible for the fusee's, they were scrapped for the silver. The rest are Swiss levers, so should be easy.  I have a few already. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

6 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Working on this, trying to find out what make it is . The photo isn't great. 

Looks like a name just to the right of the crown wheel with no. 15 in the centre.  Can you read it ? 53 in a superman shield and a serial number - 8130

2 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Looks like a name just to the right of the crown wheel with no. 15 in the centre.  Can you read it ? 53 in a superman shield and a serial number - 8130

The balance wheel on that fusee is fantastic. If anyone needed parts from it , you could name your price if oldhippy is right on the date. 300 years old.

Edited May 5, 2022 by Neverenoughwatches

[RichardHarris123]

3 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Looks like a name just to the right of the crown wheel with no. 15 in the centre.  Can you read it ?

Looks like Kamheme or Kamhene but can't find anything on Google. 

Just now, RichardHarris123 said:

Looks like Kamheme or Kamhene but can't find anything on Google. 

1945 afterwards. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

3 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Looks like Kamheme or Kamhene but can't find anything on Google. 

1945 afterwards. 

I managed to date my pocket watch through the case stamps but struggling to decipher the initials on the movement. That's a really good find you've had. Loads to keep you busy. Do you intend to repair to sell on ?

[RichardHarris123]

10 minutes ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Looks like a name just to the right of the crown wheel with no. 15 in the centre.  Can you read it ? 53 in a superman shield and a serial number - 8130

The balance wheel on that fusee is fantastic. If anyone needed parts from it , you could name your price if oldhippy is right on the date. 300 years old.

I'd be willing to sell the parts, I don't really need the money but it would be good to be of use to someone. 

1 minute ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

I managed to date my pocket watch through the case stamps but struggling to decipher the initials on the movement. That's a really good find you've had. Loads to keep you busy. Do you intend to repair to sell on ?

I can't keep them all, so I'll sell most of them when I've done. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

1 minute ago, RichardHarris123 said:

I'd be willing to sell the parts, I don't really need the money but it would be good to be of use to someone. 

How you doing with tools. Is there anything you need to step up your learning. A lathe ? Or you not bothered about going that far .

[RichardHarris123]

9 hours ago, RichardHarris123 said:

I'd be willing to sell the parts, I don't really need the money but it would be good to be of use to someone. 

I can't keep them all, so I'll sell most of them when I've done. 

Not ready for a lathe yet, happy enough servicing.  Just remembered that the parts on the fusee are probably worthless as spares.  The parts in those days had huge differences in pivot length etc so probably won't fit another watch. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

24 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Not ready for a lathe yet, happy enough servicing.  Just remembered that the parts on the fusee are probably worthless as spares.  The parts in those days had huge differences in pivot length etc so probably won't fit another watch. 

I did think that. Hand made to spec, but then again adaptable. A fantastic restoration then. What an achievement if you managed to get it running. Start learning to repivot. And chains are available.  

[oldhippy]

The average watchmaker would not be able to repair this movement. Only someone who is a specialists and a master craftsman in horology would be able to do so and then the time keeping would not be that good. No case for it so it really is a lost cause there isn't even a makers name on the movement.   

[RichardHarris123]

Totally agree.  Even if I had the skills, it isn't worth the effort.  I'm going to make a display case and a plaque about the movement. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

33 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

Totally agree.  Even if I had the skills, it isn't worth the effort.  I'm going to make a display case and a plaque about the movement. 

Haha who dares wins Rich

[KarlvonKoln]

I'm tempted.  Sometime soon, when I have a bit of leftover cash (hey, it happens sometimes) I want to pick up an old fusee movement, just to learn from.  I want to see what it would be like to repivot them. And I know where to get chains and mainsprings for them.  I'm getting better at sorting a balance spring.  I could probably get one running just because I'd likely never stop tinkering with it.  But I must concede, that approach is not in any way economical.  However, a good education seldom comes cheap.

[oldhippy]

There is no part that is interchangeable with a fusee movement. The mainspring are very high the length is important it has to be correct,  finding a chain the correct height  length and thickness to match the fusee cone will be like looking for a needle in a hay stack  

[KarlvonKoln]

8 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

There is no part that is interchangeable with a fusee movement. The mainspring are very high the length is important it has to be correct,  finding a chain the correct height  length and thickness to match the fusee cone will be like looking for a needle in a hay stack  

Ah.  Noted.  I'm beginning to see why people charge a premium to repair those.  One would be required to fabricate the replacement parts himself then.  And repairing a chain of the typical size would be an adventure unto itself.  Hmmm.  Still sounds like a fun learning experience to me, but then I'm a bit crazy that way. 

[oldhippy]

Young children use to make the chains working under candle light. 

[RichardHarris123]

2 hours ago, KarlvonKoln said:

I'm tempted.  Sometime soon, when I have a bit of leftover cash (hey, it happens sometimes) I want to pick up an old fusee movement, just to learn from.  I want to see what it would be like to repivot them. And I know where to get chains and mainsprings for them.  I'm getting better at sorting a balance spring.  I could probably get one running just because I'd likely never stop tinkering with it.  But I must concede, that approach is not in any way economical.  However, a good education seldom comes cheap.

I would like it to go to a good home and be loved.  I know selling on here isn't allowed but I would be willing to let it go for a small fee if it would benefit anyone.  I'm not putting it on ebay, I would prefer to keep it than do that but if any genuine watch enthusiasts wants it, fine. 

Another one 

Running fusee, English lever, I believe. 

2 minutes ago, RichardHarris123 said:

I would like it to go to a good home and be loved.  I know selling on here isn't allowed but I would be willing to let it go for a small fee if it would benefit anyone.  I'm not putting it on ebay, I would prefer to keep it than do that but if any genuine watch enthusiasts wants it, fine. 

Another one 

Running fusee, English lever, I believe. 

PS, I'm dyslexic.  I can't read fancy writing.  No idea what the inscription says, to Google it