Pocket watch movement identification

[Henry32221]

Hello, I wondered if anyone could identify this pocket watch movement. Thank you 

 

[KarlvonKoln]

I'm hoping one of the veterans will jump in.  The movement kind of looks like it might be an Helvetia, or maybe A. Michel 220.  But it doesn't match either kind *exactly*.  Some kind of Swiss ebauche I'm guessing.

As to what "brand" or who made the case, I'll need to get back to you.  Sweet old watch overall.

[Henry32221]

5 hours ago, KarlvonKoln said:

I'm hoping one of the veterans will jump in.  The movement kind of looks like it might be an Helvetia, or maybe A. Michel 220.  But it doesn't match either kind *exactly*.  Some kind of Swiss ebauche I'm guessing.

As to what "brand" or who made the case, I'll need to get back to you.  Sweet old watch overall.

Thank you very much for commenting, id be really interested in knowing what movement it is. The watch does need a balance staff you see. 

[KarlvonKoln]

1 hour ago, Henry32221 said:

Thank you very much for commenting, id be really interested in knowing what movement it is. The watch does need a balance staff you see. 

Ah.  Then yes, you will need more exact information.  I will see what I can do.  And I think others here may soon offer their knowledge.  Meanwhile, are you certain the watch's trouble is given by the balance staff, and not one of the jewels?  What symptoms and signs does it give?

[Henry32221]

2 minutes ago, KarlvonKoln said:

Ah.  Then yes, you will need more exact information.  I will see what I can do.  And I think others here may soon offer their knowledge.  Meanwhile, are you certain the watch's trouble is given by the balance staff, and not one of the jewels?  What symptoms and signs does it give?

Yes it’s definitely the balance staff, it literally wobbles and has no pinions. 

[KarlvonKoln]

Doggone, but that's a tough one to pin down - at least with an intent an absolute certainty.  I'm now trying to figure out how to tag a veteran of the forum here.

@oldhippy any recommendations?  I was looking through Ranfft's site, and another (can't recall which).  Who here has an eye for ebauches?