Information Required On Leutonia Pocket Watch.

[Geo]

Hi guys, a friend has asked me to try and find out information regarding a gold pocket watch that he owns. It is a high quality 9kt gold watch without any markings whatsoever regarding the manufacturer. The hallmarks have been polished to the point that they are illegible although I can make out the the makers mark J.G on the case, but the pendant has another C.H . I am beginning to suspect that the watch has been built from a lot of odd parts at some time.

I trawled EBay and found a movement that is so close and is described as a "Leutonia" Swiss made.

Can anyone please help with information?

Below are two pictures of the watch and one of the movement on EBay.

[bobm12]

Hi Geo,

 

Could it be possible that one of the watches had, along its life, had a balance cock change? The ebay one has a swan neck while the other one doesn't. Appart from that, I've seen out there (was searching but can't find it now), schematics of different balance cocks and who used them in their watches (and the years). It might be useful to identify the movement (starting point maybe?)

 

I'm still searching...somehow my latest researches on the web have not been too successful...I wonder if there is anything wrong with my ISP!

Edited October 22, 2014 by bobm12

[Geo]

Hi Bob, many thanks for the comments. I don't think that the balance and cock has been changed, it's possibly more to do with grade of the movement.

[bobm12]

I see, I figured it was kind of matching in both cases but it was worth a try. I suppose the quest goes on. If I see anything I'll post again. Good luck!

[clockboy]

By the position of the 3 it is a hunter or half hunter.

Worth registering with these:  

http://mb.nawcc.org/index.php   based in USA but are good at Id,s of pocket watches

[Geo]

Thanks Clockboy, I'll give it a go.

[Geo]

System Glashütte!

After much research and also with the kind help of two members of NAWCC, I think I have got to the bottom of this mystery watch.

There has been a lot of talk lately about Chinese replica/forgery watches. Well it turns out that this is nothing new. The movement in this watch was made in Switzerland to mimic the German manufacturer Glashütte. http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=http://watch-wiki.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DSystem_Glash%25C3%25BCtte&prev=search

I originally asked about the name Leutonia, and it should have been Tueutonia which of course refers to Germany! The suggested date for the watch would be between 1890 & 1910. Unfortunately because there is no makers mark or serial number on the movement, this can't be confirmed.

I am now totally convinced that the watch has been made up from parts that a watchmaker had lying around, as nothing nothing on the watch matches. The case and pendant tube are 9kt gold with different English goldsmiths marks, the dial does not bear any script and the the movement is a high quality Swiss copy of a Glashütte movement.

[bobm12]

Good research Geo and good movement there. I'm glad you could trace it and find out the info you wanted. IMHO, regardless of the humble origins and higher goals of the movement, at this point it is a treasure found both in quality and in what it represents: a vintage "Glashutte" made in Switzerland, nothing to detract from the real thing...and another piece of history.

[szbalogh]

On 2014. 10. 28. at 4:34 PM, Geo said:

System Glashütte!

Just bought a pocket watch like this. Nice info here, thank You Geo! Did You get more info on these movements since this post?

This particular one is the swan neck missing and the balance staff is broken. Another Dremel lathe project in view

[Geo]

6 hours ago, szbalogh said:

Nice info here, thank You Geo! Did You get more info on these movements since this post?

That is the only information that I have Szbalogh.