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Hi everyone!

I'm new to watch repair! Wanted to know if anyone knows about what type of oil and grease I need to use in a Oris 649 ETA 2836-2?

I purchased this watch with slight water damage. Along with a few parts that are missing! If anyone could help me it would be great!

Look forward to hearing from you!!!

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Hello Ir1022,

if you look at Mark's videos on servicing a Manual AS 1900, he breaks everything down. Your watch is a little different than that one, but there are other videos that feature ETA and automatic movements too. For the oil I looked at the sheet that the other members have shared, and it looks like the same types of oils Mark uses for his  work. I have copied this list of oils and their placement just as Mark has detailed in his videos and it has worked for me--I've only done three overhauls but they are all running fine.

 

Moebius 8300 for mainspring

Moebius D5 for barrel arbor bearing, setting lever,

crown wheel and click

Moebius 9010 fro train wheels and endstones

Moebius 9501 for keyless winding system and any high-friction area

Moebius 9415 for the pallet pins or jewels themselves (use 941 for fast beat 28,800bph)

 

NO OIL IN TOP OR BOTTOM PIVOTS OF THE PALLET LEVER

 

Hope this helps,

Oh Yeah.... Welcome to the forum!

JC

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Thank you so much for that info Noirrac1j!!!

Do you know where I can get the oil? Every place that I've found on eBay and on the web want to sell 20ml or 2 or 3ml! I need like .5ml or something like that!

I don't know when I would ever use that much! Plus by the time you buy all the oil it would cost over $100+! And then sit in a draw for a very long time

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Hello lr1022,

The cost of oil is one of the problems that hobbyists have all wrestled with and I spent hours searching the web for small amounts at reasonable prices but regrettably I found a remarkable similarity in pricing from all suppliers of Moebius oils for instance.

If you are just practising, a cheap working watch is a worthwhile purchase, strip and clean it then use a cheap generic watch oil when putting it back together. It is hardly worth spending much on oil for a cheap Chinese movement for instance, however, you will still gain the learning experience.

If you trawl old postings in the forum you will find good reasons to spend more on oil for treasured watches. I used to try to restrict my interest to just a couple of makes - Accutron and Tissot and only bought the oils for them but over time I weakened and started looking at other movements. You will find guidance on the forum for the subject. Mark has covered the topic for instance and we have an oil specialist who gave quite a detailed post on oil generally. Just put in a search.

In conclusion, if the watch you work on is expensive or treasured you probably should use good oil and that I'm afraid comes at a premium.

Cheers and welcome,

Vich

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Hey what's up,


Yes the cost of these little vials of oil is absurd. I bought mine over time, but I started out with moebius D5 and 9010. These two should be  sufficient to get you through....at least for the beginning. if anyone else wants to add suggestions please feel free as I am beginning myself. I tried these two for the first overhaul and didn't do the mainspring oiling. The watch is running very well.


 


JC

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There are oils that can be used in most regular watches which are made by Novostar, a Swiss company not under Swatch, (type B, barrel oil, etc). I would give them a try:

 

" Novostar type B, for escape wheels, balance staffs, etc. on watches.

 

It can be used on pallet stones and pins for 5 to 8 3/4 ligne movements.

 

On pins in place of Moebius 8000.

 

Recommended for 5 to 8 3/4 ligne Escape wheels (replaces Moebius 941 or 8000), Balance Staff (replaces Moebius 9010 or 8000), Center Wheels, (replaces Moebius 8020 or 8000).

 

Barrel Arbors (replaces Moebius 9020 or 8000).

 

Use Novostar B on pallet pins on 9 3/4 al the way up to Pocket Watch Movements.

 

Also in escape wheels and balance staffs 9 3/4 to 19 ligne movements..."   US$6.40

 

"Nye PML Stem Grease: Is a superior product for stem and winding parts. ..."  US$16.95

 

 

 

@Vich; Your weakness is making you strong! :) I'm being very weak lately so I feel really strong too! (5 different watches in a week!, the wife is going to kill me).

 

@JC: I did buy mine over time too. I'm also experimenting with success so far with the above oils.

 

In general, recommended ETA lubrication and oils although more like guidelines than rules, gives us all peace of mind...but what if there is something out there, cheaper and that works better? Food for thought!

 

 

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Has anyone done business with Ernst Westphal?

I was dealing with a person that was not nice at all!

I tried to give them the information by sending pics and he became upset and said it not his job to no where to look for the movement numbers! Quite unprofessional!

I gave the my movement numbers (649 ETA 2836-2) not a word?

Is most watch repair company's that say they sell parts all rude?

You guys have be outstanding and amazing! Helping me out with where to lube and the assembly and video's!

Totally cool!!!

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Ernst Westphal are NOT cool to deal with, but neither are O. Frei especially over the phone. Have you tried J Borel in Kansas City? They are excellent. I have an account and I just checked and they do have parts for ETA 2836-2, but I'm not sure what 649 means in relation to the movement number.

JC

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Hello lr1022,

 

I have a couple of cheap ones from EBay  and you can also get more expensive if you want swiss manufacture from Cousins and the like.  It is basically two metal plates aligned by posts and steadied by a spring.  Mine are usable on all four sides to cover lots of sizes.  They delicately hold the edge of the movement.

 

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Not all are sprung but I think I prefer them with a spring, it sort of steadies them a tad.  Basically the size (width) of the movement dictates the size you need but you really need to think about your likely Max or Min sizes for your movements and buy holders to suit.  They go up to 65 mm and beyond to cater for pocket watches etc.

 

Cheers,

 

Vic

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Hello,

Yeah you can post a picture in your reply. Hit the "More Reply Options" box that is right next to the "Post" box as you write the message...wait a few seconds and then you should see the option for attaching a file, then just put up a picture of the movement from your images,

JC

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