Help with not-watches please?

[Hullblazer]

What I need help with is information... What ARE these?

The copper item is thought by Dad to be a Tibetan "Bird" bowl but this matches nothing I can trace on the usual search engines.  The near-black one is thought by him to be bronze (I'm not sure) and an oriental incense censer.  After all, it does have a holey lid.  Anyone read pictographs?

I'm pretty certain, due to the length of time he thinks he's had these, that they're not modern knock-offs.  However, I understand knock-offs aren't a modern idea...

Any help, only on what they are, are for, are called or aged would be massively appreciated.

[oldhippy]

I haven't got a clue. Why don't you take them to some antique dealers and get advice.

[Hullblazer]

Possible at the weekend, thanks, but this site is "immediate" and it doesn't hurt to ask!

[Cad101]

The last pic is a bronze xuande reign mark its upside down in pic and as old hippy says your better off seeking professional advice.

[bobm12]

The Chinese characters read "Made in Switzerland by Swatch"  so they must be expensive!

[oldhippy]

30 minutes ago, Hullblazer said:

Possible at the weekend, thanks, but this site is "immediate" and it doesn't hurt to ask!

I quite agree. I've always fancied a spot on the Antiques Road Show. 

[Cad101]

Im more pottery and cameras than bronze i still cant believe I did a degree in studio pottery and ended up becoming a draughtsman where did I go wrong oh I remember now it paid more 

[Hullblazer]

Thanks guys, at least I raised a laugh!