Unknown Pocket Watch Movement - Escape Pivot Broken - Would really appreciate your thoughts on options...

[specks]

Hi Everyone,

I've included some pictures, below, to help possible identification but failing that, I'm working on the basis that my only option is to find a replacement escape wheel arbour of the correct length and re-fit the pinion and wheel [friction fit] back onto it.  I removed the arbour from the wheel using a suitable stake.  I've searched a fair bit and can't find arbours for sale individually.  I'd appreciate any guidance on this one - and if anyone recognises the movement, it might help me to source a replacement wheel.  Thanks.

[CYCLOPS]

sorry to say but you might have to re-pivot that pinion being so old of a movement, or a lengthy search for a donor.....

[specks]

Thanks Cyclops.  Yes, that's the conclusion I'd started to come to.  

[KarlvonKoln]

Do you know if the pinion is all one with the staff?  If the pinion is pressed onto the staff, then you can use the old staff as a pattern to turn a new one if you have a lathe.  
If you have a pivoting tool instead, but no lathe, then Cyclops is right - repivoting may be easier than tracking down a donor of the exact size.

 

[nevenbekriev]

The pinion is one whole thing, no separate staff, no such things in watches. Yes, repivoting is the solution, no mater if it is done on lathe or by drilling tool.

The other way is to replace the pinion. Then, longer one with same outside diam and leaf count will be needed and it must be turned on lathe to the needed lenth/shape and pivots formed. The table of the wheel has to be riveted on the pinion, at least the pinion on the picture is this type, but strangely, it seems that it has not been riveted.

[JohnR725]

On 1/4/2024 at 1:31 AM, CYCLOPS said:

being so old of a movement

One of the problems with obtaining spare parts of course is identifying of the watch. But even if we could identify the watch it would assume that there were spare parts available. Often times there basically were never any spare parts available even if you could identify the watch.

Yes the unfortunate reality of watch repair is sometimes you're just not going to Be able to fine spare parts that means you're going to have to repair whatever you have.

[specks]

Thanks everyone.  As a result of this dicussion, I've decided to jump into the world of lathes and pivoting tools but before I dive in, I have a few questions, which I'll raise under a separate, lathe/pivot-tool specific post.