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Im relatively new to all this.  I embarked on a "self taught" path with the help of a retired mentor a little over a year ago.  I FINALLY conquered an Omega 485 ladies the other day.  So im movimg onto bigger things for the present!!!   Need a little help identifyimg a couple of movements.  I dontt want to be a board hog so im goimg to post both on same thread.....  The first is a key wind and key set ssn 55697.  I think it may be an Agassiz but am not sure.

The second is a Mathey....  I belive it to say J H Mathey.   One day my plan is to restore the Mathey and have a case built for it.  No time soon, however!!!  I know that recasing is a touchy subject, so lets save that for later!!  I appreciate any and all insight you folks could provide on these!!!!

John Whitaker

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