Bracket clock unknown maker

[ryan53]

Hello, 

Happy Christmas wishes to everyone! I have just recently joined Watch Repair Talk here so hope I am in the right place. 
 

I have just bought this old bracket clock which is need of restoration and some parts. As I’m unsure as to who the maker is it’s difficult to know what parts to search for! Would any of you be able to help with identifying the clock maker? 

It bears so many similarities to an early Junghans movement I think it must be by them, but it has a very different place finish, no Junghans stamp and very thick plates (3mm) which are held together by screws instead of nuts. It has cut pinions throughout, a deadbeat escapement and a pin drum rather than the typical Junghans “tin can” chime drum. “Made In Württemburg” is stamped on the backplate. The case appears to be original and just needs some reglueing and a good clean. 
 

Any info on this will be much appreciated! 

[watchweasol]

Hi Ryan53  H.A.C.  (Hamburgh American Clock co)  made clocks in wurttembergh. Although they usually had the crossed swords on the plate, This may be an early one judging by the thickness of the plates.

[ryan53]

Hi Watchweasol thanks for replying. My initial thought was H.A.C. although I wasn't sure with there being no trademark. Definitely agree on the thicker plates being earlier. The build quality feels more like Gustav Becker, but the layout is typical Junghans. I'm now scouring eBay all over the world to see if I can get any spare parts, but they're thin on the ground.

[wls1971]

There is much about the clock that would suggest Junghans it appears to be a variant of movement used in the early 1900's, the offset winding and strike mechanism are typical Junghans.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-german-junghans-a08-2005753125

You could post it on the NAWCC forum site there are plenty of Junghans and German clock experts on there and the forum is free to use.

[oldhippy]

Junghans or H A C going by the gearing on the winding. 

[KarlvonKoln]

The empty space at the top of the dial gives the clock the impression of having a "high forehead".  And there are those two holes up there.  Was there once more going on with this dial?  Moon phases? Calendar?  I may take another look at the movement out of curiosity, but I confess to suddenly wondering what those holes are for.

 

[oldhippy]

It would have had a dial strike/silent hand on one side the other would have had a dial and hand for  regulation something like this. 

[ryan53]

Thanks guys! 

@oldhippy I think there must have been two regulation dials above the main chapter ring- these appear to have been screwed on like the main chapter ring. 
 

@KarlvonKolnI think there has been a high forehead mechanism like in Junghans movements- there are screw holes for it, and there is a lever attached to the top of the rear plate which seems to lift up the hammers to silence them. 
 

@wls1971 I’m looking out for a movement just like that as I think the parts may fit it. Thanks for sending. 
 

I have an old Baduf Musterschutz movement for parts in the workshop which looks to have a very similar minute reduction wheel cock for the motion work, so I’m going to see if it might fit at all. 

In terms of date would 1890-1910 seem reasonable? 

What confuses me most is the lack of Junghans trademark, use of cut pinions and sheer heft of the movement- the plates seem so much thicker than other Junghans clocks of the period.
Would Junghans have created a series of prototype movements, or have collaborated with Gustav Becker or Baduf? 

Thanks 

[oldhippy]

In terms of date would 1890-1910 seem reasonable? I would say that's about right.