Click spring

[dnhb]

Got a non-running ladies Seconda (oval, 17 jewels, "129393" on case back, "SU" on bridge & "1301" on barrel wheel) which on opening showed the click area to be badly rusted. It looks (see photo, taken after cleaning) to my inexperienced eye like one end of the spring has broken off (I'm assuming one end sits in the hole in the barrel plate & the other end (anti-parallel) - the missing bit - comes up through the slot in the click itself.  What're the prospects of finding a replacement? Oh, and I managed to sheer the head off the screw securing the barrel wheel so I need a replacement for that too! I know the watch is of little value but I'd like to get it working if I can.

[watchweasol]

Hi. Cousins uk have assortments of click springs available 

[Marc]

If you post a pic of the whole movement (both sides if possible) then it might be possible to identify it which would make tracking down replacements or a donor a bit easier.

Odds on that it is Russian though.

[rjenkinsgb]

ebay?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201381464564

 

[dnhb]

32 minutes ago, rjenkinsgb said:

ebay?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201381464564

 

Thanks, rj. Been looking at these & similar. One description says they can be bent to shape which I'm assuming I won't be lucky enough to avoid having to do. So does one anneal before (& after) ? My spring is only ~1.5mm across & the wire seems less than a hair's breadth thick so that'd be a very interesting task for a novice!

Apologies for imposing further but any views on the practicality of finding a replacement barrel (Ratchet?) wheel screw?

49 minutes ago, Marc said:

If you post a pic of the whole movement (both sides if possible) then it might be possible to identify it which would make tracking down replacements or a donor a bit easier.

Odds on that it is Russian though.

Thanks for your interest, Marc. Here's what it looks like at present: clearly from the "evil empire"!

[RichardHarris123]

Cousins uk do these, other material houses do similar or there are mixed lots. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

1 hour ago, Marc said:

If you post a pic of the whole movement (both sides if possible) then it might be possible to identify it which would make tracking down replacements or a donor a bit easier.

Odds on that it is Russian though.

It's a Chaika, sorted my sister's a few years ago.

[nevenbekriev]

Yes, Chajka (Чайка)1301 . The click spring can be made of spring steel wire. No annealing needed for such steel. Such wire are the springs for violin and guitar, but this spring is thinner than the thinnest violin string. Spring from another movement can be reshaped, as suggested.

Such movement can be obtained for less than 50 p in Russia, but I am not sure if this is an option now.

The broken piece of the barrel screw can be unscrewed with hard sharp pointed tool. The screw is not tightened now, as the head is not there, so it should unscrew without resistence.

[Marc]

Click spring available from Cousins. £2.50 + VAT for a pack of 3.

[dnhb]

3 hours ago, nevenbekriev said:

Yes, Chajka (Чайка)1301 . The click spring can be made of spring steel wire. No annealing needed for such steel. Such wire are the springs for violin and guitar, but this spring is thinner than the thinnest violin string. Spring from another movement can be reshaped, as suggested.

Such movement can be obtained for less than 50 p in Russia, but I am not sure if this is an option now.

The broken piece of the barrel screw can be unscrewed with hard sharp pointed tool. The screw is not tightened now, as the head is not there, so it should unscrew without resistence.

Thanks for the info, Nev. I'd got the barrel screw out straight away: it was indeed quite loose. 

[Neverenoughwatches]

5 hours ago, nevenbekriev said:

(Чайка)

Aw Nev, teach me please                      " get stuffed " in Russian

[dnhb]

9 hours ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Aw Nev, teach me please                      " get stuffed " in Russian

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[nevenbekriev]

10 hours ago, Neverenoughwatches said:

Aw Nev, teach me please                      " get stuffed " in Russian

Hi Rich,

I am not sure what You ask for, to translate something in Russian? No problem, but I don't understand the meaning of 'get stuffed'.

OK, asked Google and I think I gоt it. May be ''Заткнись!''

Edited June 6, 2024 by nevenbekriev

[Waggy]

You need to find someone who plays guitar, the strings make excellent spring material

[Neverenoughwatches]

15 minutes ago, nevenbekriev said:

Hi Rich,

I am not sure what You ask for, to translate something in Russian? No problem, but I don't understand the meaning of 'get stuffed'.

OK, asked Google and I think I gоt it. May be ''Заткнись!''

I'm just being silly Nev.  I can teach you some slang English.  " get stuffed " means  " go away " in a non polite way . But I did google it for a Russian translation.  I used to have a Russian neighbour he used to teach me a few phrases. 

[nevenbekriev]

20 minutes ago, Waggy said:

You need to find someone who plays guitar, the strings make excellent spring material

 

15 hours ago, nevenbekriev said:

...The click spring can be made of spring steel wire. No annealing needed for such steel. Such wire are the springs for violin and guitar, but this spring is thinner than the thinnest violin string. ...

9 size guitar string is 0.22mm, 10 is 0.25 and 11 is 0.28 as I remember.  The violin thinnest string is 0.2.  I often use these for repivoting... The Chaika click spring should be 0.12 -0.15

[Waggy]

There are all kinds of guitar gauges

For example these are:

8 = 0.008 inches = 0.20 mm

11 - 0.011 inches = 0.28 mm

And so on....

Note:

Gauge/1000 = inches

Inches x 25.4 = mm

 

Maybe too thin in the case of the click spring, but worth keeping in mind for future spring makes..... my son goes through set of strings a month, so lots of spring material in my spares draw.