Casing issue

[Mattaphysics]

So here's this case. The lugs are their own separate piece and the crystal comes off but now it doesn't want to budge.... I thought the crown was supposed to pull out but this doesn't move. There's no way to get to the movement either.... Any ideas?

 

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[anilv]

It should be a two-piece stem, it sometimes takes a lot of force to remove.

Having said that, I had a Wyler on the bench which I assumed takes a 2-piece stem but unfortunately someone had replaced it with a one piece stem which broke. How the previous guy did it was to place the movement in the case sans keyless works and install the stem and keyless stuff with the movement in the case. The dial was then glued on and hands, crystal etec installed.

Good luck

Anilv

[jdm]

Before assuming and pulling, remove hands and check if dial can be removed. In that case the stem release could be under it.

[oldhippy]

That has a two piece stem. A pair of nippers behind the button and pull.

[Mattaphysics]

Yes many things it was indeed a two-piece stem I just needed a little extra elbow grease to get out.

Now the problem is that it seems the movement is maybe too small for the case itself. It runs beautifully when out of the case, then I put it in the case I put the glass on and it just it won't run it just doesn't want to run I mean if I twist it a little bit you know it'll run for a bit but other than that it's being very stubborn.

I'll Include pictures of the movement and case the movement, I was surprised actually, is a very nice AS 1198 in a brevet 974 case. I was surprised because it was a whole lot of pin pallet escapement, one jewel movements and a bunch of junk and that just happened to be the diamond in the rough right there.

Also included is the other crap I got. Cleaned and fixed up a couple but this and the one showed are the only two salvageable ones.

Also actually is this Worldman Calendar pin pallet one jewel but I was so excited to get working on the lot the seconds hand flew off and is somewhere around the room. Unfortunately for me too it's carpeted so I might find it I might not... Live and learn as they say. Also I believe I'm pretty sure I strip the hair spring on the world man because it's running extremely fast and I cannot regulate it so I'm trying to fix the hair spring on it which is of course a nightmare on a these cheapies but I'm doing what I can

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[oldhippy]

When it comes to fault finding you need to work in stages. So the obvious first, check the case for dents, make sure the dial isn’t bent or pinching anything. Try the movement in the case minuses the dial, then add dial and one hand at a time. Is the glass correct. That sort of thing. It is a process of elimination.  

[Mattaphysics]

Ahhh... Yes I see... The old Scientific method, makes sense. Many thanks...

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[Mattaphysics]

Ok now a new car problem... I'm thinking I'll need a crystal list for this one but it doesn't seem like it's that old that they would have used a front loading movement. There's a clear snap back case but I don't see where it would open in the front. The movement though doesn't want to come out of this. It's a Helbros base in West Germany. Wonderful movement. I looked up the symbol and it's an Annemasse P76. At least the Symbol looks identical to the Annemasse symbol. I know it will run I'm trying to clean it but I can't get it out of the darn case!

 

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[oldhippy]

Has this one got a two piece stem?

[Mattaphysics]

No one piece

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[oldhippy]

I would say it comes out from the back. Can you prise this ring up where the green arrow is pointing? The two case crews have been removed red arrows.

[Mattaphysics]

The case screws weren't in it begin with, that ring you bathed doesn't move either. It twists inside the case but it won't come out. I'm unsure what is wrong

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[oldhippy]

If that part twists it will come out. Can you get something under it to lever it up, a screw driver might do it. Have you tried to unscrew it? I have never come across one that unscrews, but worth a try.