Jump to content

Ebay flooded with Carriage clocks from China


oldhippy

Recommended Posts

4 hours ago, tictok said:

But does this mean that a clock like this will not function correctly, or for long? The sub-min I have has kept perfect time for the six months I've owned it. It has a weighty, solid feel, and doesn't (at least outwardly) look cheap or inferior.

It may function perfectly well for many years, in much the same way as a fake Rolex may function perfectly well for many years, but if you have bought one or been sold one as genuine then a deception has taken place a fake or homage that is sold as such is just that and costs much less than the real thing.

Anyone who is paying antique French carriage clock money for a modern Chinese one is being deceived and anyone who is passing off such a clock as the real article is committing a fraud.

The Chinese are churning out these things by the thousand, fine but lets never forget that they are a £50.00 product at best and if they didn't sell they would not make them but never can they be considered as good as a genuine article.

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sure! That's quite clear. I just wondered if they were complete rubbish. The recent "elliott" looked shoddy the more I viewed the pics.. dial and hands. If I'd paid 900 lsd for this sub-min I'd be unhappy... but I paid a tenth of that, and the seller didn't pass it of as anything but a mini brass clock. That it is. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/French-Gilt-Brass-Oval-Carriage-Clock/184311854780?hash=item2ae9d7b6bc:g:AO4AAOSwOWNdXEgm

Not Chinese but modern. Nice clock if you like this sort of thing. Some idiot has scratched letters and numbers on the back plate. What gives it away? The screws are modern; the wells for holding the oil are different to the original French Carriage Clocks. You have to look hard but the click and click spring is not blued and looks flimsy. You can see how with modern teeth cutters have cut the teeth cut. The platform you can tell its modern but a nice one.  There is more I could say about the movement which tells me its modern but I won’t. I have just picked out the basic for you budding Carriage Clock collectors.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

 

On 5/30/2020 at 5:56 PM, oldhippy said:
On 5/30/2020 at 6:03 PM, wls1971 said:

Sounds like his missus thinks its a bigger piece of junk than he does, will be interesting to see what this fetches, I think some fool will pay over a £100.00 for it.

Someone has paid £131.00 for this piece of junk.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Chemy said:

A CONTEMPORARY BRONZE REPEATING CARRIAGE CLOCK. 24 cm high inc handle.
A CONTEMPORARY BRONZE REPEATING CARRIAGE CLOCK. 24 cm high inc handle.
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/hannams-auctioneers/catalogue-id-srhan10086/lot-fece9d84-d53b-4d4c-aa3c-abd600e6d31f

Отправлено с моего HLK-AL00 через Tapatalk
 

That is a horrid piece of junk. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 3 months later...

I think for me this is one of the worse cases of Chinese clocks that I have ever seen. Starting bid £600. I can tell you would be throwing your money away its worthless.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-Gilt-Bronze-Repeating-Carriage-Clock-with-Painted-Porcelain-Panels-Cherubs/264889606994?hash=item3daca6a352:g:0fIAAOSw0kpffLqI

Link to comment
Share on other sites

"Hi, sorry I don’t have an exact age however I don’t believe it is antique. I had it from a clock shop where apparently the owner had it cleaned. The cleanliness could be deceiving me though."

This is the answer I received. Possibly accurate, it's less than 100 years old.

Bod.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, oldhippy said:

I think for me this is one of the worse cases of Chinese clocks that I have ever seen. Starting bid £600. I can tell you would be throwing your money away its worthless.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-Gilt-Bronze-Repeating-Carriage-Clock-with-Painted-Porcelain-Panels-Cherubs/264889606994?hash=item3daca6a352:g:0fIAAOSw0kpffLqI

The clock in the link provided by oldhippy is based upon an original produced by Drocourt in the 1870's the case is a Rococo style the following link shows an original retailed by Tiffany and Co :

https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdjulia/item/3113-400/

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...
15 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Not a carriage clock. This is still Chinese crap in the form of a French Large Vintage Cloisonné clock. Do not bid on this pile of junk. 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Large-Vintage-Cloisonne-Seven-Day-Brass-And-Enamel-Chiming-Clock/114477727209?hash=item1aa7677de9:g:cnkAAOSwn7pfkaQc

That is awful, it looks like it was made last week, I would not give £1.50 let alone £150 for that, looks so thinly made and cheap.. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Not a carriage clock but another example of a Chinese fake clock, these have been turning up for the last 10 years or so and have been fetching good money they are a copy of a French swinging clock by Huguenin the first link is a copy being sold on ebay and the second link is a genuine clock:

Fake,

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-MYSTERY-Clock/174498295554?hash=item28a0e8af02:g:wc0AAOSwKepfmvNj

Genuine,

http://www.my-time-machines.net/Huguenin.htm

You just have to look at the quality of the wheel work with these clocks to determine that the fakes are a very poor copy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ebay is full of idiots trying to rip people off. I sent this message to the seller. I'll let you know of the reply if he bothers. 

Why have you described this clock as a very rare clock saying it is buy HUGUENIN A PARIS. When it is a Chinese fake. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.




  • Recently Browsing

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Getting back to the issue which is us guys repairing or just enjoying horological exploits. The big worry now is how sound is Cousins as company going forward. The of cost if this 8 year legal battle will be astronomical. Cut backs will happen noticed already how the Cousins catalogue is half its size this year. The main supplier going out of business will hit the UK horological community in a big way.    On the Brexit issue it was about a sovereign country being able to make its own laws and trade with any country in the world. I cannot see what was wrong with this. For those who wish to re join the cost would be very high indeed.
    • Yes, it's the same (old) song and it's getting worse & worse;  
    • 🤔 leaving the EU meant that UK was no longer part of the convention and have already been turned down an independent reapplication. I'm pretty sure courts have to be held in Switzerland in this case. There will be a lot more watches stashed away in draws  tbh, folk wont be able to afford to maintain them. Cheap watches will be bought and top end watches by folk with plenty of cash that can pay for service and repair. The expensive once in a lifetime gifts and everything else inbetween will be at the forgotton when they stop working. I know i was being a numpty, get used to it 😄 Anybody that knows will boycott them, but besides repairers who will know. Nope will never buy one, i made that decision as soon as i learnt about this. 
    • although not in this case.  It was the Lugano Convention and its deficiencies that allowed a Swiss court decision in the first place.  This isnt really a Brexit issue at all.  A decision that affects both the EU and the UK should never have been heard in Switzerland. I bet the authorised service centres in the UK are pretty pleased.  It's a massive shame, though; I believe watch owners should be able to choose to have their watch serviced by whoever they trust.
    • Hi guys I think that old hippy is correct, it opens the gates for china to manufacture aftermarket spare parts. considering that they already do work on behalf of the Swiss I guess this decision gives the a little more legitimacy to tool up and I am sure they will take advantage of the situation either with or without the blessing of the Swiss watch industry  Having read about the protectionist machinations of the Swiss in the history of Europe they were the only ones to get fat at everybody else’s expense. I think the outcome could have been guessed at but ,  fair play to Cousins UK for standing up to them.  Now the question,  will everybody boycott Swiss watches and Swatch, no way they will still fill their coffers.  Me I stick with the Japanese once renowned for cheap shitty watches who came good through industrial effort and don’t for get the Russians that most dismiss as low grade crap. Wouldn’t buy a swatch product ever how about you all.? a
×
×
  • Create New...