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Well I would definitely start with Moebius 9010 (for train wheels and balance endstones) and 9020 (for train wheels) if you are working on Pocket Watches. Moebius 9415 is a must for Pallet/Escape

I made this for anybody getting started, feel free to share.   Recommended Lubricants for Getting Started.pdf

I have to say the oil side of watch repair makes me smile. Back in November  put in an order for a 55 gallon drum of 1000 weight steam oil for my traction engine. I buy about one drum a year and

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11 minutes ago, Alastair said:

OK--In the spirit of education--What are the opposing properties of (Thin Grade, 9010/20) watch-oil and motor-oil?

Some just off my mind:

watch oil: restricted temperature range. Motor oil - the opposite

watch oil: to forms lubrication between hars stones and metal film - watch oil - meta to metal only

motor oil: resist pressure via oil pump:- watch oil: no pumping pressure

motor oil: contain all kinds of additive like anti-foam, cleaning, detergent for combustion residue. watch oil, nothing of that is needed.

I'm sure anyone can come up with with some 30 more and then the most important: the product is designed and tested by the maker and moto (or watch) maker. Or do we want to have a laugh all together at the next watch fair, see you at the Mobil booth.

 

 

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Just my own observation here.  About 3 years ago when repairing some vintage long clocks I did a very small scale test of Mobil 1 vs a clock oil I have used for years because I am cheap and was looking for a alternative.  The Mobil 1 was 0w20 which our Prius's use.  Two very similar clocks cleaned and lubed, one with clock oil and the other Mobil 1.  Both are still running fine today but...and it's a big but.  In performing this test I had put a small amount of Mobil 1 in a clean bottle cap which I was using for a oil cup during the servicing.  Couple of months ago while cleaning my computer desk I found this bottle cap with what remained of the Mobil 1.  It was a noticeably thicker and sticky.  Wish I had saved it now to post a pic but I didn't.  I wouldn't have thought a fully synthetic oil like Mobil 1 would evaporate like that but it sure did. The bottle cap had remained covered with a tinfoil cap so it wasn't dust and it is possible it could have reacted with the thin plastic coating on the inside of the bottle cap but that appeared unaffected when I poked around it with a toothpick.  Like I said at the start, just an observation.  And thankful that clock oils aren't as costly as watch oils.  

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Just my own observation here.  About 3 years ago when repairing some vintage long clocks I did a very small scale test of Mobil 1 vs a clock oil I have used for years because I am cheap and was looking for a alternative.  The Mobil 1 was 0w20 which our Prius's use.  Two very similar clocks cleaned and lubed, one with clock oil and the other Mobil 1.  Both are still running fine today but...and it's a big but.  In performing this test I had put a small amount of Mobil 1 in a clean bottle cap which I was using for a oil cup during the servicing.  Couple of months ago while cleaning my computer desk I found this bottle cap with what remained of the Mobil 1.  It was a noticeably thicker and sticky.  Wish I had saved it now to post a pic but I didn't.  I wouldn't have thought a fully synthetic oil like Mobil 1 would evaporate like that but it sure did. The bottle cap had remained covered with a tinfoil cap so it wasn't dust and it is possible it could have reacted with the thin plastic coating on the inside of the bottle cap but that appeared unaffected when I poked around it with a toothpick.  Like I said at the start, just an observation.  And thankful that clock oils aren't as costly as watch oils.  

I suspect that on a watch Mobil 1 would be a disaster

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One of our members has a chart of his experiments with motor oil and posted it so I suppose you guys can check it out...I tried to find it (pdf) but didn't have much time. I'm sure it will give some information about the subject. Also, oils and lubrication is an argument waiting to happen as Clockboy said, so no matter what the result as per experimentation and/or chart consultation, I'm sure we will always be reluctant to change our ways, specially when they gives us good result and peace of mind. Therefore, Moebious will always have the upper hand and Mobil will never make it to the watch industry...unless they are willing to spend lots of money to win the - for them -- "meager" new market (no comparison in volume sales cars vs watches).

Just my two cents. Also, I will try and use always the recommended oils until I know better but that's simply affirming the above.

Cheers,

Bob

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Dr Tillwich Oils.

An alternative source from Germany for specialised (watch) lubes which are cheaper than M etc.   They have some really decent oils and greases. Home site data sheets and source on e**y links below.  I spent many years in lube industry so can help interpret tech data if needed.

http://www.dr-tillwich.com/index.php/en/produkte-3/schmierstoffe/datenblaetter

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/uhrmacherwerkzeuge/Uhrenole-Dr-Tillwich-/_i.html?_fsub=9879334017&_sid=111822197&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

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7 hours ago, canthus said:

I came across that research findings last year, but ever since, its not shown up anywhere to of been developed for the marketplace which is a shame.  Its something that I would love to try on some Chinese movements that have been modified with extra gear train for moving the native seconds @9 to either [email protected]/12/3.

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10 hours ago, canthus said:

Very interesting article & yes maybe it is the future of lubricants. My only issue is not the non friction properties of the crystalline oils but can they stay where put. This is the dilemma with watches & clocks. They need lubrication but the oil/greases must stay where applied.

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1 hour ago, berniethebolt said:

what about pegasus/anchor/porpoise jaw oils?

Murdering poor defenseless porpoises to steal their oil is generally frowned upon and that would include whales in the same category.

Anchor oil has really interesting properties especially when you Google it. Then usually in horological discussion groups the subject is undesirable lubrication. So you have to wonder if the few horror stories you hear are just a few or whether all of the oil is bad?

Then Pegasus oil I have no idea what that is?

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there has been a lot of research done on oils since 1945.  probably not for watches, but for military use, like 50 cal. air craft machine guns ( see p-38s are not oiled).  detergent and  multi viscosity oils were available after ww2i use.  the mineral non detergent motor oils DEFINATLY  have a shelf life.  standard oil of californa has a research lab where oil engineers have been working for many years.  i use motor oil on clocks and  watch oil on watches.  if the experts change watch oil every 5 years,  so be it.  vinn

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On 17/9/2014 at 3:46 PM, Mark said:

I use HP 1300 (instead of D5) on higher grade movements such as 2892 and the Dubois Depraz modules, as well as HP 500 in place of 9010 (except on balance end stones where I still use 9010).

 

Your list looks good.

 

I did a small list in this topic also. http://www.watchirepairtalk.com/topic/83-lubricants/#entry310

I took note of that list you shared, I will see which can I take to try my very first service, I´m making a list of materials and basic tools to perform thee task. Thank you all for your posts!

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I have to say the oil side of watch repair makes me smile. Back in November  put in an order

for a 55 gallon drum of 1000 weight steam oil for my traction engine. I buy about one drum a year and it lasts well.

Two weeks ago I ordered most of the oils I thought I would need for watch repair, the total quantity came to about 14ml

of oil. I paid a third of the cost of my 55gallons on the watch oils. After the panic had subsided I realised that the

14ml of oil would probably last me most of the rest of my life. Seemed a cheap hobby after that!

Merry Christmas to you all!

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3 hours ago, Kevin said:

I have to say the oil side of watch repair makes me smile. Back in November  put in an order

for a 55 gallon drum of 1000 weight steam oil for my traction engine. I buy about one drum a year and it lasts well.

Two weeks ago I ordered most of the oils I thought I would need for watch repair, the total quantity came to about 14ml

of oil. I paid a third of the cost of my 55gallons on the watch oils. After the panic had subsided I realised that the

14ml of oil would probably last me most of the rest of my life. Seemed a cheap hobby after that!

Merry Christmas to you all!

This subject has been posted many times. However watch lubricant lasts a long time and 14ml will lubricate many, many watches. 

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3 hours ago, Kevin said:

I have to say the oil side of watch repair makes me smile. Back in November  put in an order

for a 55 gallon drum of 1000 weight steam oil for my traction engine. I buy about one drum a year and it lasts well.

Two weeks ago I ordered most of the oils I thought I would need for watch repair, the total quantity came to about 14ml

of oil. I paid a third of the cost of my 55gallons on the watch oils. After the panic had subsided I realised that the

14ml of oil would probably last me most of the rest of my life. Seemed a cheap hobby after that!

Merry Christmas to you all!

Don't worry somebody will probably invent a steam watch..... Maybe not! 

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