Lubricants

[Dawagner]

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The seller is elisabeth9679. Ships from France but only has taken about a week generally to arrive.

[santijyomaha]

Hi everyone! I´ve read all what you´ve been talking about here and still have to read the other thread about oiling and lubricating, I really thank you for your help! I´ve learned a lot with this reading! 

 

[santijyomaha]

 

On 17/9/2014 at 3:46 PM, Mark said:

I use HP 1300 (instead of D5) on higher grade movements such as 2892 and the Dubois Depraz modules, as well as HP 500 in place of 9010 (except on balance end stones where I still use 9010).

 

Your list looks good.

 

I did a small list in this topic also. http://www.watchirepairtalk.com/topic/83-lubricants/#entry310

I took note of that list you shared, I will see which can I take to try my very first service, I´m making a list of materials and basic tools to perform thee task. Thank you all for your posts!

[WorldPowerLabs]

Hello all,

I'm about to service a Timex 260 electric movement.  It's running strong as-is, but I doubt that it has been cleaned or lubricated in its lifetime.  I do have the service manual for the movement and for most of the oil points, the SM calls for Moebius Synt-A-Lube, without specifying a product number (I intend to use Moebius 9010), but for the friction pinion the manual calls for "spreading type oil" (Woods AAAA oil).  I cannot find a cross-reference for this old Woods oil and most watch oils are, of course, specifically formulated to NOT spread...  so, I'm seeking advice and suggestions for a suitable oil to use on the friction pinion.  Also, if anyone thinks that 9010 is NOT appropriate to use for the various other points, please let me know.

Thanks much!

Ben

[rogart63]

I think they mean Fixodrop or Epilame 

https://www.cousinsuk.com/category/moebius-fixodrop-fk

i use Jisma grease on my friction pinions or cannon pinon. 

If they aren't like some ETA or Seiko pinions? Then i use HP1300 

Edited February 23, 2017 by rogart63

[WorldPowerLabs]

Thank you for your suggestion, rogart63.  You may be correct about the Epilame, but I'm not sure that's what they are referring to in this instance. The manual recommends stripping the movement only so far as removing the balance wheel and bridge -- then cleaning the remainder as a unit, and finally applying the oils -- so if a person follows this procedure, I can't see any reasonable way to get an even coating on the relevant part.

I have attached a screencap from the service manual, showing the location where they want the "spreading oil" applied (it's marked as "A").  The impression I get is that they are calling for an oil that will wick into gaps.

I can see how a grease might work here, though -- thank you for the suggestion.

 

[jdm]

I think that HP-1300 would be just fine there as recommended by many manufacturers. One of its best characteristics is that is stays exactly where you put it.

Edited February 23, 2017 by jdm

[rogart63]

5 hours ago, WorldPowerLabs said:

Thank you for your suggestion, rogart63.  You may be correct about the Epilame, but I'm not sure that's what they are referring to in this instance. The manual recommends stripping the movement only so far as removing the balance wheel and bridge -- then cleaning the remainder as a unit, and finally applying the oils -- so if a person follows this procedure, I can't see any reasonable way to get an even coating on the relevant part.

I have attached a screencap from the service manual, showing the location where they want the "spreading oil" applied (it's marked as "A").  The impression I get is that they are calling for an oil that will wick into gaps.

I can see how a grease might work here, though -- thank you for the suggestion.

 

They probably mean something else? Something that will spread around under there? Have no idea actually? 

Maybe could dilute 9010 with Naptha so that it spreads more easy? 

[WorldPowerLabs]

Thank you both for your replies.  I had a chance to begin stripping the movement apart and I found that I can actually gain good access to the friction pinion by disassembling the movement just a little beyond the officially-recommended degree of disassembly -- and by doing so, I'll be able to oil it directly with 9010 rather than hoping that the oil will spread to the proper area.

[jdm]

If that helps, Seiko calls 'A' the 9010. It also tends to spread.

[Blubarb]

Would it be possible to apply Moebius 8040 or 8030 clock oil in leu of Moebius D5 when oiling the reverser wheel for an ETA 2824-2? 

[matabog]

you don't use D5 for the reverser wheels. I believe you need Lubeta.

[Marc]

Lubeta or 9010 in naphtha for the reverser wheel pawls, D5 or 9104 (HP1300) for the reverser wheel pivots.

[matabog]

@Marc Funny, I was expecting 9010 for the pivots (instead of 1300), those devils are spinning! But I would be wrong (I checked the service sheet  The big speed is a relative one (between each two in each set). The entire reverser wheel speed is quite slow, so 1300 will do!

Thank you for that!

[Blubarb]

I am having trouble getting Lubeta into Australia as Cousins UK and Cas-Ker US wont send as it is dangerous goods. So I might have to make up my own Epilame of 9010 in Naptha if I can find the right ratio. Member Rogart63 suggested it might be 100 to 3 . 3 parts oil to 100 parts of naptha. Thoughts? 

[matabog]

I understand you have to mix those two, but how do you actually do that in real life?

I believe you have to make a large quantity (with some sort of seringe). Because if I count 100 drops of naphta, they will be gone by the time  I finished counting  

[Blubarb]

I have a relative who is a vet and who is practised in mixing small volume mixtures in mls. I am seeing him tomorrow (Aussie time) so I will ask unless it's resolved here in the meantime. I don't believe it's done in drops but in volume measure. 

Edited May 9, 2017 by John Hondros

[Blubarb]

10 minutes ago, matabog said:

I understand you have to mix those two, but how do you actually do that in real life?

I believe you have to make a large quantity (with some sort of seringe). Because if I count 100 drops of naphta, they will be gone by the time  I finished counting  

That stuff evaporates faster than an open bottle of scotch that's for sure.  I am assuming naptha is the american for lighter fluid right? 

[matabog]

let's say it is something like it. It smells the same but naphta evaporates much faster than lighter fluid

[Tmuir]

I'm pretty well set up for oils for wrist watches, but not so for pocket watches.

I'm yet to buy Moebius 9020 which I will be buying on my next order from Cousins.

I've just cleaned and serviced an 8 day car clock which I'm guessing is from the 20s or 30s which is essentially an oversized pocket watch.

Can I get away using 9010 on the pivots or should I wait until I get 9020?

Also I currently have 9415 for the pallets which I know is the recommended oil for watches over 19,800bph.

Should I also be investing in 941/2 for the slower beat watches, or will 9415 be ok too.

[sstakoff]

I don't use 9020 anymore. I use HP-1300 for the center and third wheels, 9010 for the fourth wheel and escape wheel. I believe you can use 9415 on all pallets - but would defer to the others here.

Stu

[oldhippy]

If you want to stick with Moebius use  clock oil 8031.

I always preferred JD Windles Clock Oil for all clocks apart from clocks that had a platform escapement, then it would be a watch oil but not too thin.  

[oli]

 

 

Also I currently have 9415 for the pallets which I know is the recommended oil for watches over 19,800bph.

Should I also be investing in 941/2 for the slower beat watches, or will 9415 be ok too.

I have read that 9415 is especially developped for high speed escapement, and can cause loss of amplitude on slower beat watches. For that reason, after a long time using only 9415 on pallet stones I have recently invested in 941/2. 

It is a lot thinner than 9415, but I can't say that I have noticed a difference in performance. I wanted to experiment with both on the same movement and measure the difference but haven't got arount to it yet....

As for the car clock, I have worked on a few and i used 9010 on the balance jewels, and D5/ HP1300 on the rest of the train with no issue, I could not justify yet another type of oil for this application, the clocks I was workin on were not exactly high end!

[Tmuir]

I had never heard of JD Windles Clock Oil before, so I looked it up.

The price is certainly good so I have added that to my list for my next order from Cousins as I'm not completely happy with the oil I have been using on clocks and 50ml should last me for ever.

[oldhippy]

It is suitable for all types of clocks even Longcase.