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I was wanting to buy a complete staking set from cousins. It is only £155.00. Does it come with a manual? And will it help with jeweling?

I have finally figured out how to order on Cousins. That might make sense if you have read a post I put up in the past.

The reference number is S39653 from Cousins.

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No idea about the quality of the Indian set from Cousins, but the stakes are not the standard size for such sets, 4.7mm. This would mean that they are not interchangeable as most stakes in other sets are, and you would not be able to add other stakes you might want. I wouldn't expect a manual, and for jewelling you would either need a separate jewelling set, or one of the combined staking/jewelling sets available.

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Finally found a good staking set!!  I've been looking for one since I started watch repairing a few months back.  But most I saw had either just been sold, missing parts, or in bad condition.   But

Just bought this M.K.S almost complete with 110 pieces and little used. Only need to replace 3 balance staffs against replacing the complete balance and it's earnt it's keep. Just hope it will do the

And a free comic relief nose......... :)

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I'm sure this subject has been done to death but for someone on a fixed income and limited knowledge any help would be appreciated. I am pondering on purchasing a staking set and would like advise on the following:-  Would it be better to purchase a set from the Bay for around £200.The down side being condition, stakes missing etc plus the costly postage etc OR puchase an Indian set from Cousins at around £270 with the knowledge that it will be in new condition. There is often STAR sets up for sale..Anyone had experience of these?

 

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On 10/5/2014 at 3:39 AM, Lawson said:

But eureka!  I got one that fits the bill (including cannon pinion resizers, and a micrometer for jewel replacement), and wasn't going to let it pass up, or let one of you buggers snag it before me this time.  

that's the "inverto" model isn't it?  very nice set.  I've got I think the same set but am missing the lever on the jewel setting bit, and the box top.  How someone as careful as a watchmaker has to be loses the wood box top is anyone's guess, oh well.

Sets are quite common on the classifieds it seems and it does not hurt to have a few.   I've had a couple of occasions where one set one will have just the thing as the variety of stakes is not the same between them all

Congrats on a great set

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On 6/4/2018 at 4:02 AM, chrisdt said:

I'm sure this subject has been done to death but for someone on a fixed income and limited knowledge any help would be appreciated. I am pondering on purchasing a staking set and would like advise on the following:-  Would it be better to purchase a set from the Bay for around £200.The down side being condition, stakes missing etc plus the costly postage etc OR puchase an Indian set from Cousins at around £270 with the knowledge that it will be in new condition. There is often STAR sets up for sale..Anyone had experience of these?

Those number seem a bit high compared to what I see on the classifieds, they must be pristine.  Star are Swiss and seem like good quality.  i have or had a set, can't remember, sold some stuff lol.  Star is one of the few still in business and making Swiss watchmakers lathes

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I can only say what types I had as I have never used or seen a set made in India. I had a Bergeon set that was handed to me from my master when he retired. I had already bought myself a complete new set, which had been made in Japan, which was very good. I have heard of STAR, I think they have be around for many years. With any second hand tools there can be pit falls, you pay your money and hope for the best. Is there anything on ebay you like the look off? If so you can message me and I’ll have a look.  

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All western brands use 4.7mm punches, that are still single available for replacement. The indian punches have a different diameter - which is the main disadvantage of those sets.

Frank

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Further on this subject I have finally purchased a staking set (see pictures) Not Swiss or Indian but British made. Not often used these days the British is Best phrase. Anyway purchased these quite cheaply because they seem to attract very little attention at auction. Now I'm wondering if Ive wasted what little cash I have available for tool purchase. Anyone got any experience of this make? What are the two little wooden tools for in the foreground? Yes I know the box is broken New pine one ordered....

I also purchased a small set of Favorite stakes (final pic) These are in excellent condition but are only 4.0mm dia and 5cm long whereas the stakes in the GESCo set are 4.7mm dia and 8.5mm in length so are not interchangeable. Anyone know what type of anvil I need for the Favorite set as I would like to use them

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My advice is be careful when purchasing a used one. My staking set is a K&D and some of the stakes have damaged tips and the two smallest holes in the plate are blocked. I have never found a way to clear them so use stumps instead. The Bergeon stakes work with the K&D but are a bit loose. The usual applies the more you pay the better chance of quality. 

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Probably only dirt blocking it.....Perhaps a bristle or soak the plate face down in Napter would shift it. No you dont get something for nothing....Perhaps you never have done but with a positive attitude bargains can still be had. I go to lots of fine art sales where NON gold watches go for bargain prices and houseold auctions which usually involve house clearance items. The customers in the room have no clue what watchmakers tools are let alone the price they should pay.

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2 hours ago, oldhippy said:

Have you tried drilling them out? Agree you don't get something for nothing these days.

Yep tried that and just broke the drills. Whatever is in the holes the material is solid and hard. I have just learn't t work around it. 

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I'd give ultrasonic a try (if you haven't already) with a solvent.

Regardless of the outcome, remember to re-oil the anvil after unless you are a fan of brown.

 

I have been fortunate in that I have not found a need for a staking set yet. I do not change jewels (which I believe these are for) but I do see some other uses with the larger sets posted... I'm sure I fall in the camp of "replace balance complete" as I know my (current) limits and a hairspring is outside that set of limits.

I did get a bit of time last night and was able to change hands and crystal on my 5512. It's like getting a new watch! (for the price of, well, a new watch...)

 

PS the "compatibility PDF" posted earlier seems to be corrupted. Could that be re-posted perhaps? I'd like to have it for future reference, particularly since I just said "I won't need one", which all but guarantees I will need one tomorrow.

And for the poster looking to use the smaller diameter, shorter stakes in the larger tool, how about a sleeve, or a bored rod of appropriate diameter, which would accept the small short stakes and the top would fit and function in the larger tool? Would that work? (may have to get something made in hardenable steel which might get expensive)

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Recently purchased my first staking set the punches and stakes of which are in good condition. On close examination of the anvil I notice quite a large clearance gap between the anvil and the central pivot. (see pic) Although it does not appear to be wear the anvil moves of the central point to some degree and can be locked by the rear finger wheel. Could someone please tell me if this is normal or if I need to start looking for a new tool for my 4.7mm stakes.

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How to make your choice when you want to buy / order a staking set?

 

I see that there are many different sets, with a big variation in price...

 

So what to look for?

 

Thanks.

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On 8/14/2019 at 7:29 PM, Koen said:

How to make your choice when you want to buy / order a staking set?

 

I see that there are many different sets, with a big variation in price...

 

So what to look for?

 

Thanks.

Hi Koen,

I have a vintage Kendrick & Davis staking set in good used condition if you're interested.

Best,

Melvin

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If you are buying second hand. Make sure all is in very good condition, make sure the punches are all good and not blocked, lining up is correct, do not buy rusty sets. The staking tool can move and it rotates with ease. It s a plus that the box is in good condition. I have seen many good ones on ebay.  

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I have heard of star they make a lot of watchmakers tools lathes being one, jeweling another That staking outfit looks good, the only thing I don't see with it is a balance staff removal tool. I nice new set so all should be in very good.  You cant go wrong. 

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1 hour ago, Koen said:

Thanks for the info...

 

Thinking of buying this one... so I have also a jewel press @ same time.

 

https://www.boley.de/en/shop/7597.staking-tooland-friction-jewelling-outfit/606746.staking-tool

Frankly, I think it would be better to buy a good second-hand staking set and a separate jewelling tool. You can't easily correct the endshake with something like that. A Horia with a micrometric screw would be much better.

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1 hour ago, Nutiborskoku said:

Frankly, I think it would be better to buy a good second-hand staking set and a separate jewelling tool. You can't easily correct the endshake with something like that. A Horia with a micrometric screw would be much better.

Hey Nuti... can't use 2e hand... need invoices so I can get the VAT back and bring it in as cost for the business, thats the main reason. And I like to work with new tools. ;-)

 

2 hours ago, oldhippy said:

I have heard of star they make a lot of watchmakers tools lathes being one, jeweling another That staking outfit looks good, the only thing I don't see with it is a balance staff removal tool. I nice new set so all should be in very good.  You cant go wrong. 

This set is recommended by a person who works in a watch service center, so hope it's a good one. Buying staking and jewel tool separated new is double price. :blink:

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