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UNIVERSAL GENEVE movement 219.  Built in the 40's.  My wife was given a beautiful 18 caret gold watch(the case is actually 22-24 carets) from her grandmother.  I am attempting to repair it and my question as a hobbyist is:  Are there other movements with basically interchangeable parts?  It is very difficult getting  a healthy hairspring-balance wheel with a balance staff in good working order..I have watched Mark's excellent videos on the subject of repairing this area of the watch but frankly it's a little beyond my level of experience.  Most of the movements on ebay have bent hairsprings or broken balance staffs.   I was thinking I could expand my search if there was a generic or ETA movement somewhere.  Thanks, Jim 

 

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From : eBay.co.uk.   Just ordered a "balance complete" for the Universal Geneva 219.  So hopefully I can surprise my wife.  One more question:  the bank is linked 18 caret gold and I need a few more links.  It doesn't matter if it's gold plated or not.  Maybe it will be in the Bestfit catalogue I just ordered?  Any other suggestion would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks again

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    • Yeah, I saw that in the tech sheet but I don't see how it can be adequately cleaned with the friction pinion still in place. I've accidentally pulled the arbor right out of the wheel once when I used a presto tool to try and remove it. Mark shows how he does it with the Platax tool. Those are a little too pricey for me so I got one of these from Aliexpress and I just push down on the arbor with the end of my brass tweezers. That usually gets it most of the way out and then I just grab the wheel with one hand the and the friction pinion with the other and gently rotate them until it pops off. Probably not the best way but it's seemed to work for me so far.    
    • Thanks, Jon Sounds like a plan. Obviously I'll have the face on so do you think gripping with the holder will create any problems, but I will check in the morning to see how feasible it is but I assume it only needs to be lightly held. As for holding the movement instead of the holder won't be possible in this scenario as one hand will be puling on the stem while the other pushes the spring down. That was my initial concern is how the hell can I do this with only one pair of hands. All the other times I've had to remove the stem hasn't been a problem, apart from the force required to release the stem from the setting lever, but now I need to fit the face and hands its sent me into panic mode. If it had the screw type release things would be a lot simpler but that's life 😀   Another thing I will need to consider is once the dial and hands are fitted and the movement is sitting in the case I will need to turn it over to put the case screws in. I saw a vid on Wristwatch revival where he lightly fitted the crystal and bezel so he could turn it over, is this the only option or is there another method?      
    • Hi Jon, do You think that relation spring torque - amplitude is linear? I would rather guess that the amplitude should be proportional to the square of the torque. I had once idea to check it, but still haven't.
    • I did not. I thought about it, but I had cleaned it in my ultrasonic, and the tech sheet shows lubricating it in place already assembled, so I figured discretion was the better part of valor. Although since I have to depth the jewels anyway, maybe I pull the pinion off to rule it out 100% as part of the problem. Do you know if there's a safe way to do it? I don't want to use a puller because it would push down on the plane of the wheel, and that seems like a Bad Idea. I thought about using a roller table remover, but I don't think I have a hole stake pointy enough to push it down.
    • Before putting it back in the case I would fit the hands and use a pin vice on the stem to make sure the hands were in line. 
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