My friend ebay again

[oldhippy]

Here we have as described by the seller. You really need to know about Longcase clocks to tell me what is wrong with this one. 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fine-Antique-Mahogany-Grandmother-8-Day-Movement-Longcase-Clock-With-Pagoda-Top-/361914796245?hash=item5443cd88d5:g:PqQAAOSw9GhYklZC

[oldhippy]

No challengers yet. 

[SeikoWatch]

sorry, i'm not in UK oldhippy but it's a very nice clock. However, i have no place for a big clock like this...

[StuartBaker104]

I'm no expert but it doesn't look like that movement doesn't belong to that case... it looks much earlier.

The dial also appears to have lost a little of its' silver, but since it comes with some free brasso, I'm sure that makes up for the loss!

 

[wls1971]

Well my guess is that dial is not original to the movement, I think the original would have been a moon phase dial and those parts have been removed from the movement. the case just does not sit right with me the pagoda top looks to be a later fabrication.

[oldhippy]

You are both very close but you haven't quite hit the nail on the head. I did say you really need to know about Longcase clocks. That its self is a hint

[atimegoneby]

Dial looks wrong for the movement ?  are those hands conveniently placed at 6.30 to hide a third keyhole ?

30 hour movement not 8 day ? baseboard looks wrong , made from old floorboards ?

[wls1971]

hmm lets try again, so its a longcase movement from a much earlier period so would have been in a case of much grander proportions than it currently resides, the movement is mid 1700's to 1800 its a total and utter marriage of bits bought at auction sometime in the last year in the hope of fooling someone in parting with 749 quid

[atimegoneby]

19 minutes ago, wls1971 said:

hmm lets try again, so its a longcase movement from a much earlier period so would have been in a case of much grander proportions than it currently resides, the movement is mid 1700's to 1800 its a total and utter marriage of bits bought at auction sometime in the last year in the hope of fooling someone in parting with 749 quid

It does say in the description clocks like this are  '' hard to find '' 

I've just had another look, looks like a date wheel drive facing through the front of the movement  

[Geo]

It does look a bit a of bitsa with freshly cut wood beneath the movement, but aside from that I don't think the case is tall enough for the movement to run for eight days.

[oldhippy]

You are all correct in what you say. This is what is known as a marriage, the two main parts a case and movement put together to look as one, but with this one there’s more. When I said you need to know about longcase clocks, I was hoping someone would mention the false plate, that is the plate between the dial and the movement. Brass dials never had false plates only painted dials or what we call white dial clocks, if you look you can see top right it doesn’t even fit, there is no pillar to pin into it. The movement and false plate are as one and the seat board, but it’s been altered, the dial would have been a painted dial 12 inch, it is a late movement, you can tell it is late by the style of the pillars in the movement. The dial is from another clock, the spandrels on this dial have no significance at all, with antique brass dials, you can date the dial by the type of spandrel, this dial is I expect from the original movement as it fits well in the hood, so the dial and case fit each other. The hands are of a style from the 1750 to 1800 but these are more modern.  I’ve just looked at ebay and the sale has ended with no buyers.

If this had been a genuine antique Grandmother clock the price would have been in its thousands because they are as rear as rocking horse s**t.

Thanks to all that took part.

[wls1971]

Thanks for the info its always interesting playing your little Ebay games, thats the great thing about these forums they are a great way of learning from those who really know  

[vinn3]

know anything about an Anglus travel alarm clock?

[oldhippy]

36 minutes ago, vinn3 said:

know anything about an Anglus travel alarm clock?

I do what is it you want to know.

[atimegoneby]

7 hours ago, wls1971 said:

Thanks for the info its always interesting playing your little Ebay games, thats the great thing about these forums they are a great way of learning from those who really know  

I second that !

[oldhippy]

I hope that the knowledge that I pass on helps those on here that are interested in clocks. By turning it into a sort of game, makes learning fun. As you can see there is devil of a lot to learn when it comes to Longcase clocks, I have only scratched the service.

[vinn3]

right you are,  i never thought of it as a game. with ebay as a sorce  of overpriced and broken material,  you can learn the art of watch repair.

[oldhippy]

It's not really a game and I'm more of a clock person. This is one way I can get my knowledge across on this forum about antique clocks. 

[Jeremy]

I haven't worked on any longcase
Clocks yet. But everything about this clock seems wrong the case looks newer and the movement something out of Frankenstein. It looks like parts don't belong. The case looks like the door won't close because it's too long up top. I can't wait to see what it is. I didn't see the pendulum. If it was as old as they say, the pendulum would be amazing and I would rip the door off to see it.

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[oldhippy]

The pendulum wasn't shown, that its self can give help with dating. The case is a style called Pagoda and yes it does look strange, certainly not my favorite design. If you have gone through my findings you can read why the parts don't belong. I expect one day you will work on a Longcase Clock, my self I have worked on hundreds from 30hour, 8day month duration and musical from all different periods.   

[Jeremy]

That is awesome. I love clocks and the different stories the tell. I will keep looking for a long case to work on. I love the amount of knowledge you have with clocks. I love the eBay questions. Keep up the good work.

When I posted on this thread none of the other comments showed up, till I posted. I was a little too late. Ha ha.

[oldhippy]

What a shame and thanks, I'll see what I can find.