Need Stem for 18S Elgin Pocket Watch

[jdrichard]

Where can I pick up a stem for an Elgin 18S pocket watch. Pictures below. Length 25mm, square part that turns mainspring 1.4 X 1.4mm, diameter 2.2 mm.

[syfre]

I don't like these case because of that, easy to broke the stem

but you can fix it ;

drill the stem in the center, make the hole two or three time deeper than the diameter of the hole

turn a new square in steel with a round plug, adjust the plug until it enter the hole, a little drop of loctite and voila.

 

[vinn3]

if the stem is the right length,  i dont think it will break the stem when the mvt.  is swung out ?

[jdrichard]

I don't like these case because of that, easy to broke the stem

but you can fix it ;

drill the stem in the center, make the hole two or three time deeper than the diameter of the hole

turn a new square in steel with a round plug, adjust the plug until it enter the hole, a little drop of loctite and voila.

 

Sorry but I don't have the tools to make a new square piece.


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[StuartBaker104]

I had a look when you first posted, but couldn't easily find the right part, so left for those who may know where to go...

How accurately did you measure the square? Windingstems.com doesn't list that calibre, but does have an 18s Elgin stem with a 1.28mm square. If this isn't it you can search by square size to find something you can modify to fit.  Next nearest is a 1.46mm stem (search for 146 in box A)

Hope that helps

S

[jdrichard]

I had a look when you first posted, but couldn't easily find the right part, so left for those who may know where to go...

How accurately did you measure the square? Windingstems.com doesn't list that calibre, but does have an 18s Elgin stem with a 1.28mm square. If this isn't it you can search by square size to find something you can modify to fit.  Next nearest is a 1.46mm stem (search for 146 in box A)

Hope that helps

S

Thanks for the help. I did not know this site existed. I will try and get the fit.


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[JohnR725]

The reason why you're having a hard time finding an Elgin 18 size stem is because they don't make them. Unlike Swiss or other watches were the stem is unique to the watch here the stem came with the case. Although I suppose technically the stem is made to fit the sleeve in the case. Which is why at one time you could buy separate sleeves and stems generic to fit the cases.

Then if you're looking for other Elgin parts you can get the part numbers here.

http://www.elginwatchparts.com/

 

[jdrichard]

The reason why you're having a hard time finding an Elgin 18 size stem is because they don't make them. Unlike Swiss or other watches were the stem is unique to the watch here the stem came with the case. Although I suppose technically the stem is made to fit the sleeve in the case. Which is why at one time you could buy separate sleeves and stems generic to fit the cases.

Then if you're looking for other Elgin parts you can get the part numbers here.

http://www.elginwatchparts.com/

 

They do not have this part. But thanks for the link


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[jdrichard]

So does anyone know if a glue that could take the shear force if I were to try to glue the stem together?


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[JohnR725]

I seriously doubt if any glue in the universe at least our part of the universe would hold gluing the stem back on. If you find some though there should be a big demand for it. I'm not sure if laser welding would have the strength. We've had some stuff laser welded like band parts some worked some didn't. But they don't have the force the stem has.

So the symbol on the back of the case is crescent. 18 size doesn't look as popular 16 size but a few were available new. Then I was looking on eBay I suspect to be cheaper to buy  another case. I'm seeing there are some stem assortments of some bizarrely strange prices and quantities. So as possible on may show up somewhere at least now you know what you're looking for.

http://www.ofrei.com/page398.html

http://www.ofrei.com/page397.html

Then in the catalog dated 1938 I've attached an image. So a very long time ago the stem was probably available.

Then for those working on American pocket watches I also have attached image of Bench keys. Then because I was curious the largest square is 1.36 mm I'm guessing there were some variation here. Then on the same key the next one is 1.17 mm.

[jdrichard]

I seriously doubt if any glue in the universe at least our part of the universe would hold gluing the stem back on. If you find some though there should be a big demand for it. I'm not sure if laser welding would have the strength. We've had some stuff laser welded like band parts some worked some didn't. But they don't have the force the stem has.

So the symbol on the back of the case is crescent. 18 size doesn't look as popular 16 size but a few were available new. Then I was looking on eBay I suspect to be cheaper to buy  another case. I'm seeing there are some stem assortments of some bizarrely strange prices and quantities. So as possible on may show up somewhere at least now you know what you're looking for.

http://www.ofrei.com/page398.html

http://www.ofrei.com/page397.html

Then in the catalog dated 1938 I've attached an image. So a very long time ago the stem was probably available.

Then for those working on American pocket watches I also have attached image of Bench keys. Then because I was curious the largest square is 1.36 mm I'm guessing there were some variation here. Then on the same key the next one is 1.17 mm.

One of the Otto Frie stems make work on this case. I will need to perfectly match the dimensions

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