One of these days…

[buzz12]

Could anyone give me any idea of date for this case?

Yep it looks very rough now, but one of these days I would like to restore it. The case work I can handle and will enjoy.  Need to source some replacement handles and make a replacement door unless I find the original among my clutter.  But, what sort of movement and dial would this Chime clock have had?

Any info about the date/style would be greatly appreciated.

[oldhippy]

Could you give me the measurements. Height  of the case, width, width of the inside and and diameter where the dial will fit. 

I can tell you it has been altered inside at the bottom where it has been looks like chiseled away in order to take a movement with a different pendulum. 

[buzz12]

Yes it has been altered at the bottom. The case stands 11 5/8h and is 8 1/2in w.

Inside is 9 1/4h x 5 3/8in w and the dial hole dia is 4 3/8. You will see from the picture that the dial hole is also rebated. Is that common or to suit a particular dial?

 

[oldhippy]

What gives it away for me is the two brackets with screw holes. A French movement strike on a bell not gong. I can't see a hole in the bottom of the case where the gong would be fixed.

Something like this. In this photo you can see the two fixing straps.  

[buzz12]

That's super Oldhippy. I've had a dig about through my movements and come up with this one. It appears to be the right size but is it the right sort of age as the case?  Looks to be a lot earlier to me, at a guess. What do you think? What style of dial would you expect to see?

 

[oldhippy]

I would say that case is anything from 1920's to 1940's. If you unscrew the bell you might find a stamp mark with the name of the maker and it might include a date. That nut for the bell is not the original. Also you should see two sets of numbers I set is for the length of the pendulum it is down in the Pouce & Lignes system it's an old French measurement system. The other set of numbers are for the pendulum, the original pendulum will have the same set of numbers. Your movement is an 8 Day Count wheel strike, the hands are of the  spade style.

[buzz12]

Amazing stuff... you should write a book Oldhippy before you forget all this intriguing knowledge. Thanks for the pointers, it makes researching things so much easier and enjoyable when you know roughly what you are dealing with. There are two stamp marks but not found a date mark. Which set of numbers are for the length of the pendulum?

[oldhippy]

The number at the base is the one 7 2. You have the makers name which I can't make out in your photo. If you can get a copy of Watchmakers & Clockmakers of the World - Brian Loomes  you should be able to find the makers name and dates of manufacture. 

[oldhippy]

I had to look this one up for you put a decimal point the two numbers and that will give you the length of the pendulum so it should be 7. 2inches. No wonder the bottom has been opened up that is a long one. 

[ro63rto]

I can see

ETABLISSEMENT MIROY FRERES

DE PARIS

and

Vincenti & Co

[oldhippy]

19 minutes ago, ro63rto said:

 

I can see

 

ETABLISSEMENT MIROY FRERES

DE PARIS

 

 

and

 

Vincenti & Co

Copied into English ESTABLISHMENT OF PARIS VITA BROTHERS

Vincenti & Co is listed as around 1910.

I would have thought it would be older.

Thank you ro63rto for the information. My eyesight is hopeless these days.

 

[red]

Vincenti won their first medaille d'argent in 1834 so yes they are much older. https://www.antiqueclockspriceguide.com/vincentidates.php

 

[ITProDad]

Old hippy, Your knowledge is impressive!!


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[JimmyD]

Just remember that a French inch is longer than an English inch, use Goggle to find a converter.

[oldhippy]

JimmyD, Did you ever find out about the clock, the one where the key holes didn't line up? 

[ITProDad]

Just remember that a French inch is longer than an English inch, use Goggle to find a converter.

Would it be inappropriate to say, “that’s what she said”?


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[JimmyD]

12 hours ago, oldhippy said:

JimmyD, Did you ever find out about the clock, the one where the key holes didn't line up?

I sent a 2nd email asking them again and did not get a reply, so I did not send anymore, however after further research it seems that it was common for the key holes to be offset. I still find it odd that a maker of his stature did that though.

[JimmyD]

3 hours ago, ITProDad said:

Would it be inappropriate to say, “that’s what she said”?

O'La La

[oldhippy]

Pity about that. Thank's for the update.